[louiebagadonuts]

Hey guys, i am looking to supercharge my 2007 fa5:vtec:. I was looking into Kraftwerks, but i dont know too much about supercharging. So i was wondering if anyone could help me out with what i would need!!! I obviously know i would need the kit, but in addition to that what else would i need to buy, that my biggest issue! Trying to figure out a cost.
Oh and i have a SRI, Q300 Exhaust, Skunk2 headers, and rear motor mount.

 

[07habiredsi_ftw]

you won't need your sri because one is provided with the kit. you will need flash pro and upgrade your spark plugs.

 

[07habiredsi_ftw]

everything you need is pretty much included.

 

[louiebagadonuts]

ok thanks man!

 

[Steve42790]

why are you getting the kraftwerks kit over a jrsc or ct or even a turbo?

its just my personal opinion, that the kraftwerks is pretty much a waste of money. to each thier own though, im just wondering why u decided on that.

 

[Excelerate]

Hey guys, i am looking to supercharge my 2007 fa5:vtec:. I was looking into Kraftwerks, but i dont know too much about supercharging. So i was wondering if anyone could help me out with what i would need!!! I obviously know i would need the kit, but in addition to that what else would i need to buy, that my biggest issue! Trying to figure out a cost.
Oh and i have a SRI, Q300 Exhaust, Skunk2 headers, and rear motor mount.

All you really need is the KW kit with HONDATA Flashpro. We will have a number of these kits available to ship within a few weeks. PM me for pricing.

Depending on the condition of your clutch you also may need a new clutch and it would be a good idea to upgrade the flywheel as well but it isn't necessary if your flywheel is in good shape.

 

[louiebagadonuts]

why are you getting the kraftwerks kit over a jrsc or ct or even a turbo?

its just my personal opinion, that the kraftwerks is pretty much a waste of money. to each thier own though, im just wondering why u decided on that.

just from some reviews i read. What are your thoughts, im open to other options

 

[Steve42790]

just from some reviews i read. What are your thoughts, im open to other options

for me its just about the cost for the power u get. it costs as much as a turbo kit, but wont put you anywhere near the same power as a turbo kit can.

just my opinion, id rather spend the money on a turbo if your interested in power. i also dont like how it looks in the engine bay at all, with the huge 10ft long intake pipe stretching across the bay :shrug: but if u like that blower, than do it! i just think there are better options.

i made 390whp (edyno) with my jrsc and spent roughly $3500 on the build. granted i bought that kit used though.

what are you ultimate goals? are u looking for high hp? or mild? do u just like s/c? what reviews have you read? from what ive seen the kraftwerks puts your around 380-400hp range. maybe up to 430 with a really complete build. i dont think the cost of the kit justifies that.

honestly i think the cost of supercharging a 4cyl motor in general just isnt justified at all. turbo is the way to go on these cars.

 

[louiebagadonuts]

for me its just about the cost for the power u get. it costs as much as a turbo kit, but wont put you anywhere near the same power as a turbo kit can.

just my opinion, id rather spend the money on a turbo if your interested in power. i also dont like how it looks in the engine bay at all, with the huge 10ft long intake pipe stretching across the bay :shrug: but if u like that blower, than do it! i just think there are better options.

i made 390whp (edyno) with my jrsc and spent roughly $3500 on the build. granted i bought that kit used though.

what are you ultimate goals? are u looking for high hp? or mild? do u just like s/c? what reviews have you read? from what ive seen the kraftwerks puts your around 380-400hp range. maybe up to 430 with a really complete build. i dont think the cost of the kit justifies that.

honestly i think the cost of supercharging a 4cyl motor in general just isnt justified at all. turbo is the way to go on these cars.

i mean im looking for hp, not trying to bring it on the track, and i generally like the sound of the sc over the turbo..thats just me lol. So are you recommending the jrsc? and what would you recommend for a turbo?

 

[Steve42790]

i mean im looking for hp, not trying to bring it on the track, and i generally like the sound of the sc over the turbo..thats just me lol. So are you recommending the jrsc? and what would you recommend for a turbo?

actually i recommend the ct over the jrsc. but, if u have the money to afford a kraftwerks, and ur lookin for power. hands down id go with a PRL turbo kit and a gt or gtx upgrade on it. even if u just do the base kit with a precision journal bearing turbo, u can make 500hp still. and the kit costs $4600. with the gtx upgrade its $5300. they are giving 500 off thier kits right now. another great kit is the synapse. its a few hundred more but they offer recirc for the exhaust, better charge pipe routing and a better mani (imo). however the PRL has a decently larger intercooler. both r great kits.

also, u need to watch vit's video of his blue car's exhaust. i think it will change ur mind on sound of the car with a turbo vs s/c lol

 

[louiebagadonuts]

actually i recommend the ct over the jrsc. but, if u have the money to afford a kraftwerks, and ur lookin for power. hands down id go with a PRL turbo kit and a gt or gtx upgrade on it. even if u just do the base kit with a precision journal bearing turbo, u can make 500hp still. and the kit costs $4600. with the gtx upgrade its $5300. they are giving 500 off thier kits right now. another great kit is the synapse. same thing except its a few hundred more and they offer recirc for the exhaust.

also, u need to watch vit's video of his blue car's exhaust. i think it will change ur mind on sound of the car with a turbo vs s/c lol

ok, now what would you say the most cost efficient turbo is? as well as sc.

 

[Steve42790]

ok, now what would you say the most cost efficient turbo is? as well as sc.

nowadays, if your looking for brand new stuff, then the kraftwerks is probably the best route for supercharger. they jacked the prices waaaay up on the ct and jrsc, so its really not even worth it anymore at all. however if u wanna buy a used kit, then id say go for the ct. my friend wants to sell his ct kit for $2700 actually.

the turbo is all relative to your goals or preferences id say. if ur talking on power alone, u can get a precision journal bearing, which costs $500-$700 less than the gtx upgrade in a turbo kit, and still make the same power as a gtx ball bearing turbo.. but there are other things to look at like the bearing type which is a huge factor, and cooling/reliability, spool time and wheel materials and other stuff of that nature.. im not a turbo expert. but the gtx series turbo is certainly a top of the line turbo. one of the best i think.

 

[louiebagadonuts]

nowadays, if your looking for brand new stuff, then the kraftwerks is probably the best route for supercharger. they jacked the prices waaaay up on the ct and jrsc, so its really not even worth it anymore at all. however if u wanna buy a used kit, then id say go for the ct. my friend wants to sell his ct kit for $2700 actually.

the turbo is all relative to your goals or preferences id say. if ur talking on power alone, u can get a precision journal bearing, which costs $500-$700 less than the gtx upgrade in a turbo kit, and still make the same power as a gtx ball bearing turbo.. but there are other things to look at like the bearing type which is a huge factor, and cooling/reliability, spool time and wheel materials and other stuff of that nature.. im not a turbo expert. but the gtx series turbo is certainly a top of the line turbo. one of the best i think.

ok thanks man, appreciate all the info!

 

[Steve42790]

ok thanks man, appreciate all the info!

:thumbsup:

 

[Excelerate]

for me its just about the cost for the power u get. it costs as much as a turbo kit, but wont put you anywhere near the same power as a turbo kit can.

I disagree. It costs as much as a turbo kit yet is more complete and makes as much power as a turbo kit. Most of the turbo kits on the market require your purchase fuel management separately and don't include tunes.

And the KW kit made 380whp and 240wtq with a 3" exhaust and a SK2 Alpha header. That's roughly 425-450 crank hp depending on the dyno.

http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g-917-cb160d5cfb55fe77ac570e6fc1a1bd17c7d264d4.jpg

According to FR, "on a 100% stock Civic Si engine (upgraded turbo kit, clutch and fuel system/injectors), the Full-Race FG2/FA5 06+ Si turbo kit reliably generates a minimum of 330-400+whp on 91-93 octane pump gas at the low boost setting." So the gains are roughly the same

The KW kit also comes complete with the following features:

• Rotrex C30-94 Supercharger
• 1,000cc/min. High Impedance Fuel Injectors with Plug-and-Play Connectors
• 110mm Pulley (10.8 psi)
• High-Flow, Cast Aluminum Intake Manifold
• Front Mount Intercooler (23 x 7 x 3 Inch)
• Aluminum Intercooler Piping
• Rotrex Oil Cooler
• Retain Factory A/C and Accessories
• High-Quality CNC-Machined Brackets
• High-Quality Fasteners and Hardware
• Recirculating Bypass Valve

The oil cooler alone adds $800-$1000 to the value of the kit; that isn't included in any turbo kit.

So you have a complete solution out of the box that more than doubles your hp and tq and it costs $5395 retail if bought with the HONDATA Flashpro. AND the power is fairly linear. It's a no brainer. It's the ultimate solution for this car and it's backed by a great company.

 

[Steve42790]

I disagree. It costs as much as a turbo kit yet is more complete and makes as much power as a turbo kit. Most of the turbo kits on the market require your purchase fuel management separately and don't include tunes.

And the KW kit made 380whp and 240wtq with a 3" exhaust and a SK2 Alpha header. That's roughly 425-450 crank hp depending on the dyno.

http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g-917-cb160d5cfb55fe77ac570e6fc1a1bd17c7d264d4.jpg

According to FR, "on a 100% stock Civic Si engine (upgraded turbo kit, clutch and fuel system/injectors), the Full-Race FG2/FA5 06+ Si turbo kit reliably generates a minimum of 330-400+whp on 91-93 octane pump gas at the low boost setting." So the gains are roughly the same

The KW kit also comes complete with the following features:

• Rotrex C30-94 Supercharger
• 1,000cc/min. High Impedance Fuel Injectors with Plug-and-Play Connectors
• 110mm Pulley (10.8 psi)
• High-Flow, Cast Aluminum Intake Manifold
• Front Mount Intercooler (23 x 7 x 3 Inch)
• Aluminum Intercooler Piping
• Rotrex Oil Cooler
• Retain Factory A/C and Accessories
• High-Quality CNC-Machined Brackets
• High-Quality Fasteners and Hardware
• Recirculating Bypass Valve

The oil cooler alone adds $800-$1000 to the value of the kit; that isn't included in any turbo kit.

So you have a complete solution out of the box that more than doubles your hp and tq and it costs $5395 retail if bought with the HONDATA Flashpro. AND the power is fairly linear. It's a no brainer. It's the ultimate solution for this car and it's backed by a great company.

Im not saying its not a great a kit or anything and i dont want to be a nuissance to a creditable sponsor on here,but first of all noone cares about crank HP, i think you posted that just to show bigger numbers to be more persuasive. i don't think i've ever heard a person say oh my car is making xxx crank hp. and dyno's read whp for a reason. but anyway,

I don't care much what FR says, but your gains aren't roughly the same at all. FR states they make the same as you on a LOW BOOST setting, and what happens when u just simply turn up the boost and make 500hp? lol which is my point in general. turbo kit, for the money you make waay more power simply by turning up the boost. not to mention, that i bet in your example, FR is speaking not only of low boost, but probably a small or mid level turbo,nothing fancy.

As I stated in my post, the PRL turbo kit with an upgraded gtx30 turbo costs the SAME amount as your kit, and will push 500hp no problem. which can and has been done, and on stock block. nothing extra is needed for it that isnt also needed for the kraftwerks kit. fueling all u need is pump and injectors.

and oil cooler?? that isnt even necessary..so you cant even consider that. I dont even know anyone that is running one.

PRL = $5300 = 500+whp
Kraftwerks = $5300 =380whp

Again, I'm not trying to talk down your kit, i respect it and in the supercharging world nowadays, its at the top of the game for sure. but as for boosting in general, nothing beats a turbo and it's efficiency of the power and price.

lets not start a turbo vs s/c thread tho plz lol

 

[Steve42790]

also, id like to add that even if the power was the same, how about torque? turbo blows the KW away with tq numbers. that prl kit i speak of made over 100wtq more than the KW!

 

[Excelerate]

Im not saying its not a great a kit or anything and i dont want to be a nuissance to a creditable sponsor on here,but first of all noone cares about crank HP, i think you posted that just to show bigger numbers to be more persuasive. i don't think i've ever heard a person say oh my car is making xxx crank hp. and dyno's read whp for a reason. but anyway,

FR said 330-400whp on low boost. The KW kit makes 380 whp at 10-11 psi. That's the only kit they offer and 10 psi isn't high boost. So those kits make the same power.

I don't care much what FR says, but your gains aren't roughly the same at all. FR states they make the same as you on a LOW BOOST setting, and what happens when u just simply turn up the boost and make 500hp? lol which is my point in general. turbo kit, for the money you make waay more power simply by turning up the boost. not to mention, that i bet in your example, FR is speaking not only of low boost, but probably a small or mid level turbo,nothing fancy.l

I know you can make more power with a turbo kit than you can with a supercharger kit. But 400-450 hp on a FWD car is plenty of power. 500+ hp on a FWD results in wheel hop/spin in 1st, 2nd and parts of 3rd gear.

As I stated in my post, the PRL turbo kit with an upgraded gtx30 turbo costs the SAME amount as your kit, and will push 500hp no problem. which can and has been done, and on stock block. nothing extra is needed for it that isnt also needed for the kraftwerks kit. fueling all u need is pump and injectors.

PRL = $5300 = 500+whp
Kraftwerks = $5300 =380whp

The PRL kit is $4695 without fuel management and with a Precision journal bearing turbo. Upgrade to a GTX30 with the same fuel management as the KW kit (1,000 CC injectors and FP) and the list price is $6550. So I'm not seeing the same pricing.

2006-2011 Civic SI Turbo System | Prl Motorsports

Again, no disrespect to the PRL kit but the KW kit IMO is a better solution for the majority of people as it's complete with fuel management and tune and is capable of making as much power as most turbo kits or more at a very reasonable price. And keep in mind you're not comparing apples to apples since the turbo kits don't include the oil cooler system either.

 

[VitViper]

According to FR, "on a 100% stock Civic Si engine (upgraded turbo kit, clutch and fuel system/injectors), the Full-Race FG2/FA5 06+ Si turbo kit reliably generates a minimum of 330-400+whp on 91-93 octane pump gas at the low boost setting." So the gains are roughly the same

No offense, but that is marketing and not even close to the whole story, not to mention outdated. A Full Race kit on the SAME boost as a typical KW kit puts out (11-12psi) will make 30-40whp more (with proper turbo selection) and WAY WAY more torque. We're not talking marketing peak torque #'s where the KW kit will make 240wtq for 1 (one, yes you read that right) rpm right at rev limit.

Keep in mind -- I don't care who buys what setup, I like them all in their own respect, tune them all and we have put down VERY quick 1/4 mile times with KW kit.

Turbo torque vs KW S/C torque. Do note peak boost on the turbo car is lower.

 

[mucter]

lets not start a turbo vs s/c thread tho plz lol

:bat: that's exactly what you did. -_-