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Tom1222 said:
I would fight it and bring in the receipt showing it is legal in all 50 states :thumb:
Real quick guys...we are getting a little too hung up on this 50 state legal thing. 50 state legal simply means it passes FEDERAL government NHTSA standards for being legal in all 50 states. As we all know California is the frontrunner on having stricter than federal pollution etc... standards.

Bottom line is this...YES it has passed NHTSA compliance and is legal to be sold in all 50 states by the federal government; however, state and local laws may be more strict or spell out certain laws at their respective level. Because it says 50 state legal does not mean it is legal in your neighborhood, county, city, or locality.

It is up to you to know what your local laws are - state and local. If you don't like the state and local laws...do what you should be doing already...GET OUT AND VOTE.

Ok off the soapbox...but seriously the exhaust could be illegal locally and may have been passed simply because some other ball bag decided they didn't like the sound...so they petitioned their councilperson and had a local law invoked that states thou shalt not have loud (modified) exhaust. And you are in turn screwed because his rights contradict yours and you didn't do anything about it. Unless you go to council meetings or watch that cable public access channel you wouldn't even know these forces are plotting against you.

Guess we all need to get more boring lives so we can attend council meetings and get more involved in government, right? Naw, I can't go without my ocho.

**ocho is a trademark of nomar06 and is used solely by implied permission.
 
8thex said:
i dont have tha old exhaust...n yes he took a pic with a polaroid....but my point iz if there illegal y would they sale it in tha state of florida...
just like radar detectors here in va....they are not illegal to own BUT it is illegal to use:pat:
bioevolve said:
Hope this helps, cuz I don't know if it will help:

The 2006 Florida Statutes

Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL View Entire Chapter

316.293 Motor vehicle noise.--

(1) DEFINITIONS.--The following words and phrases, when used in this section, shall have the meanings respectively assigned to them in this subsection, except where the context otherwise requires:

(a) "dB A" means the composite abbreviation for the A-weighted sound level and the unit of sound level, the decibel.

(b) "Gross combination weight rating" or "GCWR" means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a combination vehicle.

(c) "Gross vehicle weight rating" or "GVWR" means the value specified by the manufacturer as the loaded weight of a single vehicle.

(d) "Sound level" means the A-weighted sound pressure level measured with fast response using an instrument complying with the specification for sound level meters of the American National Standards Institute, Inc., or its successor bodies, except that only A-weighting and fast dynamic response need be provided.

(e) "Department" means the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles.

(2) OPERATING NOISE LIMITS.--No person shall operate or be permitted to operate a vehicle at any time or under any condition of roadway grade, load, acceleration, or deceleration in such a manner as to generate a sound level in excess of the following limit for the category of motor vehicle and applicable speed limit at a distance of 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel under measurement procedures established under subsection (3).

(a) For motorcycles other than motor-driven cycles: Sound level limit
Speed limit
35 mph or less Speed limit
over 35 mph
Before January 1, 1979 82 dB A 86 dB A
On or after January 1, 1979 78 dB A 82 dB A



(b) For any motor vehicle with a GVWR or GCWR of 10,000 pounds or more: Sound level limit
Speed limit
35 mph or less Speed limit
over 35 mph
On or after January 1, 1975 86 dB A 90 dB A



(c) For motor-driven cycles and any other motor vehicle not included in paragraph (a) or paragraph (b): Sound level limit
Speed limit
35 mph or less Speed limit
over 35 mph
Before January 1, 1979 76 dB A 82 dB A
On or after January 1, 1979 72 dB A 79 dB A



(3) MEASUREMENT PROCEDURES.--The measurement procedures for determining compliance with this section shall be established by regulation of the Department of Environmental Protection as provided in s. 403.415(9), in cooperation with the department. Such regulations shall include the selection of measurement sites and measurement procedures and shall take into consideration accepted scientific and professional methods for the measurement of vehicular sound levels. The measurement procedures may include adjustment factors to be applied to the noise limit for measurement distances of other than 50 feet from the center of the lane of travel.

(4) APPLICABILITY.--This section applies to the total noise from a vehicle and shall not be construed as limiting or precluding the enforcement of any other provisions of this chapter relating to motor vehicle mufflers for noise control.

(5) NOISE ABATEMENT EQUIPMENT MODIFICATIONS.--

(a) No person shall modify the exhaust system of a motor vehicle or any other noise-abatement device of a motor vehicle operated or to be operated upon the highways of this state in such a manner that the noise emitted by the motor vehicle is above that emitted by the vehicle as originally manufactured.

(b) No person shall operate a motor vehicle upon the highways of the state with an exhaust system or noise-abatement device so modified.

(6) EXEMPT VEHICLES.--The following are exempt from the operation of this act:

(a) Emergency vehicles operating as specified in s. 316.072(5)(a).

(b) Any motor vehicle engaged in a professional or amateur sanctioned, competitive sports event for which admission or entry fee is charged, or practice or time trials for such event.

(c) Any motor vehicle engaged in a manufacturer's engineering, design, or equipment test.

(d) Construction or agricultural equipment either on a job site or traveling on the highways.

(7) VIOLATIONS.--A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a nonmoving violation as provided in chapter 318.

History.--s. 4, ch. 74-110; s. 32, ch. 76-31; s. 2, ch. 78-280; s. 28, ch. 79-65; s. 136, ch. 94-356; s. 16, ch. 97-300; s. 205, ch. 99-248.
there's your answer--however, unless the noise was so crazy loud, I think this was just a ridiculous ticket.
 
8thex said:
I was jus crusin u couldn't really hear tha muffler all u can hear was tha beautiful humm of my magnaflow...it was a young cop tat pulled me over...
Figures...... out being punks trying out do each other in the most tickets....
I've gotten more tickets from young cops then any other cop....:Mad:
 
bottom line:

-like many other people mentioned, exhaust may be illegal in your area despite the rather deceptive "50 state legal" clause that only refers to federal standards, and not individual states, cities, and etc.

-and since you are using an illegal product, accept the consequences and don't complain.

-if you don't like the law, it's your fault. you can petition to change it. However, if it is already illegal in your area, i doubt you would get much support. we live in a democratic republic afterall, so it's your responsibility to enact change.

-and if you don't know the law in your area, it is your responsibility to find out by taking a quick trip to police hq or city hall.

-yes, it may seem unfair that they only ticket a hand full of illegal fart cans and tinted windows and etc., but that's life. they can't enforce everything. hell, cops can't respond to every jaywalker there is. but laws are laws, and we must do our best to stick by them.
 
fiji06si13 said:
Figures...... out being punks trying out do each other in the most tickets....
I've gotten more tickets from young cops then any other cop....:Mad:

There is no difference between young cops and old cops...that's about stupid. Plus those outrageous loud annoying mufflers should be ticketed, no one wants to hear that. They just put a new ordiance in effect here on the coast for loud music, no one wants to hear other peoples music blaring and bass making my car shake.
 
Sell your magnaflow and get the Apexi Worldsport it looks stock and if cops ask tell them it's a factory honda performance exhaust made by honda and was on the car when you bought it....
 
trogers8 said:
There is no difference between young cops and old cops...that's about stupid. Plus those outrageous loud annoying mufflers should be ticketed, no one wants to hear that. They just put a new ordiance in effect here on the coast for loud music, no one wants to hear other peoples music blaring and bass making my car shake.
Then why doesn't harley's get pulled over, they are louder than f*** or even the domestic muscle cars?!?!? Dual standard it think.
 
I was almost ticketed for this bullshit as well. I believe this law needs to be changed. The night I was pulled over for this I was downtown where a lot of the local tuner crowd hangs out... the cop walks up to the car and says, "I'm going to start with you..." (can you say, quota?) basically he's saying "you'll be the first one to be ticketed for your rice exhaust tonight" (even though I have performance race-header & full cat-back exhaust). Thank god the cop was ex-navy and I'm a member of the Air Force, we ended up BS'ing and he let me go with a warning and even wrote down the code for me to look up. He said to drop in a silencer and I wouldn't even be bothered. :D
 
Tickets

When I lived in Tampa I got pulled over in the Brandon area by a cop that looked no older than me. (20s) and the first thing out of his mouth was that my kind of car was one of his pet peeves and then he started to spout off about violating a noise ordinance. I looked around me and its an industrial area, not exactly mom, dad and the kids playing outside. I went to court, the first meeting with the judge, the officer isn't present. so the whole cop won't shop up thing doesn't matter. What you do is enter your plea and the judge hears your story. If it's your first offense the judge most likely will dismiss the ticket but make you pay court costs, around $27, $17 if they waive a few things and you're done. When I got up there, (you wait for the hundreds of people scheduled for that day to go first) and I told the judge what the cop had said about his pet peeves and then I said , you know I really didn't realize that police work had anything to do with the officers personal biases. Then I told the judge about the noise ordinance that i had supposedly broken, after some research it turns out that there is no such ordinance in that area, let alone any areas in Brandon, including residential areas. The cop was just a jackass and the judge told me it was dismissed but also added that I needed to get my car fixed. I work in a law firm out of Tallahassee now and it really is amazing what cops get away with when people choose not to fight their tickets
 
jdc03c said:
When I lived in Tampa I got pulled over in the Brandon area by a cop that looked no older than me. (20s) and the first thing out of his mouth was that my kind of car was one of his pet peeves and then he started to spout off about violating a noise ordinance. I looked around me and its an industrial area, not exactly mom, dad and the kids playing outside. I went to court, the first meeting with the judge, the officer isn't present. so the whole cop won't shop up thing doesn't matter. What you do is enter your plea and the judge hears your story. If it's your first offense the judge most likely will dismiss the ticket but make you pay court costs, around $27, $17 if they waive a few things and you're done. When I got up there, (you wait for the hundreds of people scheduled for that day to go first) and I told the judge what the cop had said about his pet peeves and then I said , you know I really didn't realize that police work had anything to do with the officers personal biases. Then I told the judge about the noise ordinance that i had supposedly broken, after some research it turns out that there is no such ordinance in that area, let alone any areas in Brandon, including residential areas. The cop was just a jackass and the judge told me it was dismissed but also added that I needed to get my car fixed. I work in a law firm out of Tallahassee now and it really is amazing what cops get away with when people choose not to fight their tickets
maybe you should think about your bias.

actually forget it. try making your next post in the into area....
 
fiji06si13 said:
Figures...... out being punks trying out do each other in the most tickets....
I've gotten more tickets from young cops then any other cop....:Mad:
Not true, there is no Quota system and the cops I know(I am in a Law Enforcement Program at school) say that they really only ticket when they absolutely have to(here in SD).

They even tell us they turn a blind eye to small things like tints and No fronts license plate sometimes(unless they are pulled over for something serious in which the charges will be added).

But yeah here in San Diego cops get paid Really good and dont need to prove them selves useful. Their number one mission as said by them is to protect the safety and well being of the people and not to increase the budget of the city
 
Skylinegtr06 said:
Not true, there is no Quota system and the cops I know(I am in a Law Enforcement Program at school) say that they really only ticket when they absolutely have to(here in SD).

They even tell us they turn a blind eye to small things like tints and No fronts license plate sometimes(unless they are pulled over for something serious in which the charges will be added).

But yeah here in San Diego cops get paid Really good and dont need to prove them selves useful. Their number one mission as said by them is to protect the safety and well being of the people and not to increase the budget of the city
A ******* DAMN MEN
 
Skylinegtr06 said:
Their number one mission as said by them is to protect the safety and well being of the people

That's exactly what I tell the people around me who say things like "I hate ******* cops."

I tell them right away, without law enforcement, we would probably have been shot already. They're here to protect us, not to just make your mood terrible.
 
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