[CraigW]

^^ Was thinking 06-09.

Did you contact Honda ?

 

[Pesqually]

First of all Honda has no engine warranty or recall past the original 3yr/36k on the k20z3. Also, refusing an airbag warranty is foolhardy, and I hope you understand the consequences of the takata airbag.

Second, these cars are 10 years old. When you have a 10 year old car, even without a generous extension of a powertrain warranty, stuff fails. Usually around 10 years you get engine failures and transmission failures. Its a tough situation to be in, but Honda had already made it very clear that they remedied the situation far beyond the manufacturers normal responsibility point.

The car is not worth the engine replacement past the 10 year point per a manufacturer standpoint. Honda puts a new engine in your 10 year old 110k civic and in 2 weeks you come back because the transmission died. Its not worth it.

Your only hope is to contact a lawyer and expect to pay more in legal fees before you get any judgement in your favor than if you had simply replaced the engine or purchased a new vehicle. The truth hurts.

That’s a stupid comment! No one is going to come back and say their transmission is dead and they want it fixed! There isn’t a massive transmission failure problem with those cars! There is a massive problem with the the head and Honda knows it.
This is such a big problem they have extended the warranty to 10 years. This country has consumer protection laws and lemon laws for a reason. This head should be a recall item with no year limit!
Honda is knowingly selling these 06-09 cars on their lots without warning customers! If you think this is ok you’re just as despicable as they are!
If you think that’s ok

 

[NKaufman]

I agree with you OP.

My 2007 EX has 87K miles. Just got new tires from Costco as my old one blew out recently and tires were close to being replaced anyhow.

My 10 years ended since car was bought in April 2007. So far it has been running fine.

Whoever claims that a 10 year old car will have problems etc has no understanding of usage patterns of cars specially for people living in or close to metro areas. Honda should cover engine as long as people own the cars, at least 'original owners' and/or people who've had the car serviced at dealerships.

I'd completely forgotten about this issue till now and it seems the car is living on borrowed time.

Does the engine crack all of a sudden or is there some symptom before it cracks?

What does it cost to get the engine replaced in case this happens in the near future? Reason is, being an original owner, I know the service history of the car and can easily run it for another 5-6 years without any issue. 3k-5k for engine is still cheaper than 20K for a new car. At least that is what I'm thinking right now but definitely am open to alternatives.

Also, is there something one can do to preempt this issue from occurring in the first place? Perhaps testing the head/block and replacing something now at a cheaper price compared to engine replacement later?

Thanks,

 

[dem2757]

That’s a stupid comment! No one is going to come back and say their transmission is dead and they want it fixed! There isn’t a massive transmission failure problem with those cars! There is a massive problem with the the head and Honda knows it.
This is such a big problem they have extended the warranty to 10 years. This country has consumer protection laws and lemon laws for a reason. This head should be a recall item with no year limit!
Honda is knowingly selling these 06-09 cars on their lots without warning customers! If you think this is ok you’re just as despicable as they are!
If you think that’s ok

Look up those laws! They dont do SQUAT after like 3 years. ITS A TEN YEAR OLD CAR.

No one is required to disclose a TSB for a vehicle sale, look at all the cars being sold with defective takata airbags!!!!!!!! AND THATS LIFE THREATENING.

To debate this as a stupid comment is ignoring the fact that the internet exists, and consumers are expected to have some due diligence and research a damn car before they buy it. You clearly have never been in any sort of business management where you need to make decisions on when to cover your own ass for services or products as a business - You cannot expect a vehicle manufacturer to put a lifetime guarantee on an engine, its bull****.

I have stated before, the mods of this forum need to put a big ass sticky on the page if they even moderate anymore, and have the title say DO NOT BUY AN 06-08 R18 CIVIC UNLESS IT HAS ENGINE WORK DOCUMENTATION.


Hence why I said, unless you plan to sue Honda outside of the already generous warranty extension to 10 years, your **** out of Luck.:violin:

 

[Kennyg3961]

My Mothers car just started leaking at the engine block. It is a 2007 with 97,000 miles and is out of warranty. Have not contacted Honda yet but you can bet I will. They dident even send out a recall for this. They will do something or I will for sure hire a lawyer!!

 

[NKaufman]

My Mothers car just started leaking at the engine block. It is a 2007 with 97,000 miles and is out of warranty. Have not contacted Honda yet but you can bet I will. They dident even send out a recall for this. They will do something or I will for sure hire a lawyer!!

Have you looked at small claims court route? I think that could be the best way to proceed unless Honda does something.

As mentioned elsewhere, now that cars are passing the 10 year mark, we're going to see more and more of this issue coming up.

 

[NKaufman]

Claims about TEN YEAR OLD car, Look a

https://www.cars.com/articles/your-car-is-so-old-1420694584395/

Average Age of cars is 11.6 ins 2016 and generally people keep Hondas/Toyotas longer than average.

From the same article:
"IHS Markit predicts that by 2021, the number of vehicles 16 years old or more will grow by 30 percent to 81 million, with 20 million of those more than 25 years old".

 

[aztony]

Look up those laws! They dont do SQUAT after like 3 years. ITS A TEN YEAR OLD CAR.

No one is required to disclose a TSB for a vehicle sale, look at all the cars being sold with defective takata airbags!!!!!!!! AND THATS LIFE THREATENING.

To debate this as a stupid comment is ignoring the fact that the internet exists, and consumers are expected to have some due diligence and research a damn car before they buy it. You clearly have never been in any sort of business management where you need to make decisions on when to cover your own ass for services or products as a business - You cannot expect a vehicle manufacturer to put a lifetime guarantee on an engine, its bull****.

I have stated before, the mods of this forum need to put a big ass sticky on the page if they even moderate anymore, and have the title say DO NOT BUY AN 06-08 R18 CIVIC UNLESS IT HAS ENGINE WORK DOCUMENTATION.


Hence why I said, unless you plan to sue Honda outside of the already generous warranty extension to 10 years, your **** out of Luck.:violin:

I agree with you. I have a 2008 Civic, hoping the motor develops a crack before June rolls around, which will be the 10 year mark. I would feel like I hit the lottery. Expecting a company to warranty a product that's 10 years old or older is insane. Unless the product has a lifetime warranty or life expectancy that is above average.

My car has almost 200k on it, so you people trying to decide whether or not to buy a 2008, I say go for it.

 

[Messerschmitt]

From carcomplaints forum seems the most affected is 2006. Not sure why, since theoretically the engine casting wasn't changed until second half of 2009 since even some 2009 are affected.

2006 - 162
2007 - 67
2008 - 47
2009 - only 1

2008 vs 2007 makes sense since it's 1 extra year where problems can appear.

But 2006 vs 2007/2008 is a bit weird isn't it? Almost triple in numbers, and it's only 1 year older.

 

[NKaufman]

I agree with you. I have a 2008 Civic, hoping the motor develops a crack before June rolls around, which will be the 10 year mark. I would feel like I hit the lottery. Expecting a company to warranty a product that's 10 years old or older is insane. Unless the product has a lifetime warranty or life expectancy that is above average.

My car has almost 200k on it, so you people trying to decide whether or not to buy a 2008, I say go for it.

I think we'll agree to disagree. Honda is NOT doing any favors giving this warranty. Would understand if people did not keep cars for more than 10 years but like I posted above, that is not the case.

Further, Honda has been selling a product with a "known" defect, again "known" defect. I bet it is a cost vs benefit analysis and only a tragedy will change the thinking, nothing else.

Do you think the argument that the car is over 10 years old will hold good when the cracked block causes a tragedy? Will Honda be able to wash their hands off this thing? No way and that is why I think this is a ticking time bomb, can blow up any day now.

 

[KrisR17]

From carcomplaints forum seems the most affected is 2006. Not sure why, since theoretically the engine casting wasn't changed until second half of 2009 since even some 2009 are affected.

2006 - 162
2007 - 67
2008 - 47
2009 - only 1

2008 vs 2007 makes sense since it's 1 extra year where problems can appear.

But 2006 vs 2007/2008 is a bit weird isn't it? Almost triple in numbers, and it's only 1 year older.

Thank you for posting these numbers from carcomplaints.com.

For those of you in this thread with cracked engines, are you among those numbers, or are you in addition? Rookie mistake, I just purchased a 2008 Civic, and it only has 80,000 miles. Trying to decide whether to abandon ship and re-sell, or to take the risk and hope it doesn't crack. It's in great shape otherwise...

 

[Sonic Screwdriver]

From carcomplaints forum seems the most affected is 2006. Not sure why, since theoretically the engine casting wasn't changed until second half of 2009 since even some 2009 are affected.

2006 - 162
2007 - 67
2008 - 47
2009 - only 1

I remember reading the VIN ranges on the TSB, and for 2009 vehicles, only a few tens of thousands of cars were covered. My recollection is around 30k, but I'm not entirely sure about that.

Honda probably delivered 350-400k Civics for that Model Year in North America, so only a handful of '09's have the older block revision.

2008 vs 2007 makes sense since it's 1 extra year where problems can appear.

But 2006 vs 2007/2008 is a bit weird isn't it? Almost triple in numbers, and it's only 1 year older.

From the TSB, rumors, and other info I was able to find over the years, my educated guess is that there was a manufacturing issue at the plant that made the USDM R18 blocks, and that gradual improvements in quality control made the rate for porous blocks decline.

At some point in late 2008, Honda switched over to a slightly revised R18 block design (most 2009-2011, and then 9th Gens from 2012-2015) that was more tolerant of any manufacturing process anomalies.

In sum:

I believe that Honda improved the manufacturing process between '06 and '07-'08-early '09.

Honda then improved the design as a further precaution for most of '09 onwards.

 

[Sonic Screwdriver]

Thank you for posting these numbers from carcomplaints.com.

For those of you in this thread with cracked engines, are you among those numbers, or are you in addition? Rookie mistake, I just purchased a 2008 Civic, and it only has 80,000 miles. Trying to decide whether to abandon ship and re-sell, or to take the risk and hope it doesn't crack. It's in great shape otherwise...

An '08 Civic is probably mostly depreciated at this point, so you may be able to sell it for close to the price you paid. If this is the case, the major cost for selling would probably be the time and inconvenience of switching to another car.

 

[No2sc2]

I am having oil leak problem and I suspect a blown gasket or crack somewhere behind the engine on top. Only reason is because the top engine is covered in old burnt oil and underside has oil residue from it dripping down and getting slung by the belts on the side of engine.

 

[tortuga]

Mine stranded me on a south Texas Interstate last summer. Traffic was backed up due to a wreck and it was over 100 degrees outside when it quit on my wife and I. I had heat stroke and almost died from it. Honda did nothing for me.

 

[tortuga]

What is the newest year engine that will work as a replacement for the 2007 1.8 model?

 

[arashi]

What is the newest year engine that will work as a replacement for the 2007 1.8 model?

2011, I believe. It was the last year of 8th gens. The 9th gen r18 is a different part number.

 

[NKaufman]

Mine stranded me on a south Texas Interstate last summer. Traffic was backed up due to a wreck and it was over 100 degrees outside when it quit on my wife and I. I had heat stroke and almost died from it. Honda did nothing for me.

Small Claims court, Small claims court.

If enough people file claims then it might force Honda to address this issue "appropriately".

 

[dem2757]

Small Claims court, Small claims court.

If enough people file claims then it might force Honda to address this issue "appropriately".

They already did, its why they extended the warranty. Honda didnt do it as an act of "good faith", they were force by legal action.

Yes, the only option is to try and sue the manufacturer again, as an individual. Because the vast majority of these cars that have had issues have already washed out, totaled out, auctioned for parts, etc.

Im curious as to what you think the "appropriate" course of action is.

If we go based on the logic of "every car is 11 years old now!" then we assume that the cars have been driven approximately 165,000 miles. The end of life for an ICE is thought to be approximately 150,000 miles on normal highway city driving based on emissions, and age of use. Just because a Honda is expected to last 30 years, and this particular model was engineered more like a kia for the first few years and then it was rectified, doesnt mean that they have to lifetime warranty their engine. Its a :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse: issue.

 

[NKaufman]

They already did, its why they extended the warranty. Honda didnt do it as an act of "good faith", they were force by legal action.

Yes, the only option is to try and sue the manufacturer again, as an individual. Because the vast majority of these cars that have had issues have already washed out, totaled out, auctioned for parts, etc.

Im curious as to what you think the "appropriate" course of action is.

If we go based on the logic of "every car is 11 years old now!" then we assume that the cars have been driven approximately 165,000 miles. The end of life for an ICE is thought to be approximately 150,000 miles on normal highway city driving based on emissions, and age of use. Just because a Honda is expected to last 30 years, and this particular model was engineered more like a kia for the first few years and then it was rectified, doesnt mean that they have to lifetime warranty their engine. Its a :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse: issue.

Am not sure what led Honda to give a 10-year warranty for this but nowhere is it mentioned that a car is not supposed to last beyond 10 years and nowhere is it mentioned that manufacturers can wash their hands off their "known defective" products after a 'limited' time.

Many people have low mileage on their cars, a bunch on this forum as well. I have only 87K miles on mine. Would like to keep it at least for 5 more years.

Also look at my other posts where average life of cars on the road is over 11 years and that is average. Honda/Toyotas typically last longer than average.

The average is expected to increase over 15 years in a few years time. So cars are being kept for more than 10 years.

I really feel that small claims court is the best option. Not expensive, about $50-$70 cost. That's the most that one could lose.

That is what I intend to do. Have all maintenance done on time and at a stealership (with coupons, of course).

Really would encourage people to go small claims route.