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DIY: R18 PCV Valve replacement

125K views 70 replies 23 participants last post by  THEDUKEOFHELL  
#1 ·
Surprisingly I have found very little information on how to replace your PCV valve. It's location: Looking at your engine, left (passenger), behind the valve cover. Taking a clear picture of it was very difficult so I took the best pics I could while doing this. It is a cheap part (about $12), that doesn't normally die, however it is cheap and KINDA easy to do. I'm very religious when it comes to maintenance, but this is an item I always forget about. Hope these pics and instructions help anyone who wants to do this yourself.

Symptons: Nothing, not even a code
Why replace: cheap part, not terribly difficult to do. I saw A LOT of "gunk" (accumulated oil/dirt) near the valve. Looked ominous (having oil built up like this pointed to a leak, so it seems logical that the valve needed to be replaced. Cheap insurance never hurt anyone.

Tools/parts:
1) 1 universal joint (I used a 3/8" ratchet)
2) short extension
3) long extension
4) 11/16" deep socket (used to get PCV valve in/out)
5) needle nose pliers (if you have bent-tip pliers, even better)
6) Ratchet (duh)
7) Long flat head screw driver
8) Can of PB Blaster
9) Bottle of engine degreaser (anyone will do)
10) Rag
11) 1 brand new PCV Valve (Honda part# HP17130-PND-A01, Valve Assy, PCV)
12) 14 mm crush washer (same as oil drain plug)
13) Water hose (to hose off PB blaster and degreaser)
14) Beer (optional).

My R18 sedan had about 158,000 miles on it when I did this and the PCV valve had never been replaced. I get upper 30s mpg and have no issues. She travels about 110 miles a day.

Here we go:

As mentioned, the PCV valve is located behind the valve cover on the passenger side of the engine. You can't see it when looking at it directly, but you will see the hose that is clamped onto it.

See the green clip? Unhook that to have access to the tube leading to the PCV valve.
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After degreasing only this section of the motor, I'm pointing to the tube in question.
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Here is another view of the hose with the PCV below it (middle of pic).
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Here you will see a metal bracket used to align attached wires and hoses. It is bolted to the motor by a 10mm bolt that faces the firewall. I couldn't get to it for the life of me (didn't have the proper tools), but I bent it out of the way and bent it back when I was finished. If you can remove it, better, if not, my way will help. Note: you HAVE to get it out of the way to access the hose and valve.
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Here's a better look at the clamp you must pinch and slide upward. This is where your bent-tip pliers will come in handy. Before you remove the hose, spray a little PB Blaster to loosen up the PCV. I let it sit for about 10 mintues before I hosed it off, then went in with my tools to get it out.
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Position your tools:
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Old PCV valve was in tight, but came out easily enough. Here is what it looked like. Anyway, When you take it out, you will notice a crush washer sitting (unless you are lucky enough to have it come out with the valve) where the valve sat. I took a long flat head screw driver and tapped the end of it to loosen this washer. Worked like charm.

Out:
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Crush washer (stayed on the engine block):
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Take your rag and wipe area as best you can. I'm not sure when the next time I'll have to replace the PCV valve, so it might be in there for another few years, so I like to use anti-seize on the threads to avoid aggravation in the future. Get some anti-seize (see pic) and spread it around the threads. Position the your new crush washer and finger tighten the valve into position.
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After you tighten the PCV valve, place the hose onto it and use your pliers to clamp the hose toward the end. Next, bend (or reattach) the metal bracket back into place. Re-clip the green holder and you are done!
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Feel free to drink your (optional) beer and enjoy. I can't say for certainty that I prevented certain engine damage, but it's so cheap and I have a lot of miles on my rig, so this can't hurt it in the least.

Hope this helps anyone with an R18! :dancingcoolsmiley:
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
I had one heck of a time getting mine replaced. (I reckon that's what I get for doing it a few weeks after having a stroke) I replaced the PCV hose because it seemed very brittle for only having 66k on it.

I bent the bracket also. Much easier than trying to get the proper tools in that tight space.
Stroke? Holy crap, hope you are ok. Anyway, the little information I found on this told everyone that it was extremely easy. Nope. If one dive's into this project thinking that (I thought it was going to take 5 minutes................. it will now that I know how to do it, LOL), you are in for a surprise b/c it's a little involving.

What I should've mentioned also, is to work on it when the engine is cool or you are going to burn your hands.

I still can't really find how beneficial this is to do, I know in older cars, this was a maintenance item that needed to be replaced with regularity.
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
Thanks for the post. I can't tell you how many mechanics could not find my PCV valve or would just blow me off and say "that's not really a serviceable part" My 2008 Civic LX has had some rough idle issues and also poor gas mileage lately. I am going down a list of potential suspects and doing most of it myself and the valve came up. Thanks to your post, I easily replaced it yesterday!
Glad I could help! The PCV is a pain to get to, but not terribly difficult. I'm surprised no one made a DIY before! Has it helped your MPG/rough idle?
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
Just for fun, how much did your PCV valve cost you? Mine cost me $26 CAD for the part only. Usually PCV valves are inexpensive ($6-$7).
Honda Part: HP17130-PND-A01, retails for $22.45. I found it for US$15.04 (hondaautomotiveparts.com). I got mine from partznet, but can't remember exactly how much I paid for it.
 
Discussion starter · #11 ·
When attempting to remove old PCV valve, does the rubber hose pull off easily after the clamp is removed? Or do you have to pry up the bottom of the hose where it is flush with the PCV washer?
I remember it was sort of tight. I just pulled and it came off. No prying was need, at least for me.
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
Good luck with the extraction, that really sucks. Sounds like you are mechanically inclined, but otherwise I would head to a mechanic or a dealer to help ya out.

When I installed the new one, I didn't use a torque wrench, I just tightened it until it was firm (for me). I don't believe it's a huge deal, however it were a valve/cam bolt, then yes, it is imperative one uses one. Anyway, mine is still fine.
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
I have the same issue to remove the hose, it is really tight. I am afraid to pull it hard and will break the hose. Would that BP blaster loose the hose as well ?
I found the hose is softer when the engine is still warm , guess it would make to remove the hose easier.

any advice ?

thanks
I think PB Blaster is more for metal/rust/metal applications, I wouldn't trust it for rubber materials. Anyway, just get a "bent tipped" needle nose pliers, take the clamp off and just yank it (insert sex joke here) with regular pliers (the needle nose might pinch it too much).

Like I said, my hose was tight, but I gave it a firm yank and it popped off. Even if you damage it, I really don't think it costs much.

Good luck!
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
Did this on my car.. It's at 112,000 miles and has been burning a bit of oil. Put 250 KM on it and the gas gauge has dropped 4 bars, as opposed to the nearly full tank it would burn doing similar driving before. So a 23 dollar part is going to save me hundreds in gas. Also my car doesn't hesitate anymore OR fluctuate when it idles.
Cool! I wonder if others who suffer from poor mileage are aware that their PCV valve could be clogged? So many look at other items (plugs/oil/filters/O2 sensors/etc). This is easy (relatively) to do and cheap.
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
That's all I replaced - but it rounded out the slew of maintenance I did to the car within the past year. My engine used to surge a bit too - not anymore. I just had the drive belt and tensioner replaced too and the car is extremely quiet! I ended up with about 650 KM on that one tank.
Replacing the drive belt and tensioner will "quiet" the engine? Wow, Interested. Mine is a little rough now. I know my passenger side engine mount is bad (haven't replaced it yet), but didn't even think the drive and tensioner would have the same effect. Also, I still haven't had the valves adjusted (supposed to at around 100K). Everytime I do, the dealer says all is fine and within spec (whatever that means). You aren't the only person I've seen (heard) that a high mileage R18 can be an extremely smooth/quiet engine.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
I feel dumb - I tried to get the hose off the PCV valve & couldn't get it off. Had nose pliers on it.

Should I pull really hard? Or would engine heat have caused the tubing to melt onto the PCV valve?

I'm brand new to engine work, so any tips are greatly appreciated!!
Dumb question: did you take the clamp off? Anyway, give it a good yank, it will come off. Mine was a pain as well.
 
Discussion starter · #46 ·
I'm pretty dumb, but not that dumb. I had the clamp off, but that was a pain to get off too. Too many years in front of a computer & not working with my hands. I'll give it a good yank and see if that does the trick.
LOL, I didn't mean to imply you were dumb, it's just that I've had a lot of "DOH" moments under the hood. I doubt the rubber "fused", most likely all the gunk is making it difficult for it slip off. In fact, I never really properly reinstalled my clamp. The hose is that snug that I don't have to worry about it slipping off, but I do check on it from time to time.

Good luck!

Someone mentioned taking their PC valve off and it rattled, then reinstalled it thinking it was ok. For reasons unknowst to me, that doesn't mean its fine. Just throwing it out there.........
 
Discussion starter · #53 ·
Hi,
Informative guide about PCV Valve replacement. I have a Honda Civic 2010 model. Can I change air bag and wheel steering by itself?
Thanks in advance!!
Here is a video I found on the issue:

Pay attention to the first 2 minutes for the airbag part.

The airbag and steering wheel will NOT come out as one unit. Trying to do so will damage the crap out them and the possibility of the airbag exploding in your face, thus rearranging it, is not desirable.


Yes! Since you asked in the right place I'll tell you how.
Hahahhahahhahaha, that was funny.

But seriously, NO prying!! There are 2 bolts on either end of the airbag, they need to be removed before the airbag itself can be moved.

So then, now that we've gotten that out of the way,


PCV valve questions, comments, ....................................... :laughing: