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Discussion starter · #41 ·
Mazda RX-8 = RWD, it's kinda of a sedan, lol...

Also this is just a stupid thread, Honda is not going to make a RWD Civic ever, they are largely a FWD company, wish in one hand and **** in the other, see which fills up first.
:chill: Chill out young man. Your level of imaturity and lack of tact is humorous :laughing: You're making other 21 year olds look bad. I don't think they appreciate it.

I believe this is a car forum, a place to talk shop and have some fun. If you are not entertained with this thread MOVE ON. If you have something to say, positive or negative, please do so. But be a little more constructive. It's way too brainless to say "this is a stupid thread".

:eek:fftopic: I agree with those that say that the Si would never be produced as a RWD car. The thought of it is entertaining though.
 
he didnt say that. he said that all of hondas AWD cars are FWD orignially. nothing about any future civic ex or si.
Which is what , one old old civic, the new RL and the up coming NSX(excluding trucks)? He said Honda is like Audi and I was just saying that no, it isn't at all. Atleast Audi offers 4-5 different cars that are AWD. Honda right now has one, the Acura RL.
 
Discussion starter · #44 ·
FWIW, I'm thinking that a stock S2K will absolutely smoke a stock Si Sedan.
Yes, any day of the week :biggrin:

why sedan... how about a coupe
Because I own a sedan and this is my thread :biggrin: J/K. The thought of a RWD Si coupe would be nice too.
Honda = green

Honda does not = performance
Honda is all about performance. They've got an incredible racing heritage. Check out their F1 racing (Just ignore the past couple of losing years). They sell Accords and Civics to fund their racing program.

They are green too :thumb:
 
Which is what , one old old civic, the new RL and the up coming NSX(excluding trucks)? He said Honda is like Audi and I was just saying that no, it isn't at all. Atleast Audi offers 4-5 different cars that are AWD. Honda right now has one, the Acura RL.
reread his sentence. he's saying they are like Audi for having all cars on a basically FWD platform, whether they have AWD versions or not.
 
Performance?

0-60 in 7.1 seconds?

Every V6 family sedan on the black can smoke your performance car. :vtec:

It's simply a great, sporty, high revving, nice handling economy car for enthusaists.

really? you must have read one statistic and decided it was accurate. From my experience, the V6 EX-L 6spd Honda Accord is either as fast, or barely as fast, as the new Si.
 
I wrote:
Comparing the FWD Civic Si Sedan and the RWD S2000 and I see that the S2K has a 2.7% weight advantage and a 17% power advantage. However... the Si should still beat the S2K by a reasonable margin. Yes, no?

You wrote:
Like what reasonable margin?
I suspect that your question was rhetorical as we both agree that...
...the S2000 will own a Si.
The point of my post was to suggest that the individual who stated that a RWD Si would require 25% more power just to have the same acceleration as the current Si, was wrong, very wrong. I then illustrated that point by suggesting that if he was correct, the current Si should own an S2K as the S2k is RWD and does NOT have 25% more power than the Si.
 
A Camry V6 goes 0-60 in 6.1 seconds......
and according to most of the sources I can find online these days, a stock Si will go 0-60 in 4.7-4.9 seconds on the LOW stock end (with some absurd track numbers of even 14.1 stock, which I think must have something to do with the track) and then 6.0-6.7 on the HIGH end. I think a lot of this has to do with the driver, and the tires.
camry = fail. V6 or not, it is not made to be sporty nor a race car.


the new V6 Accord however will be a different story.

how much does the camry weigh?
 
the new v6 accord and camry are of course faster than the Si but the last gen v6's may not be
source please. :coffee: it's not that I think the Si is either the fastest car in the world OR the best, it's just that 1) I see way too many claims that have absolutely no basis in fact and then people start :iorun: all around repeating them. that's called psuedoscience.
and 2) some people seem to think that the Si is slower than sin, which it is not.
 
we're also forgetting that these 0-60 times were in response to the Si being considered a performance car.

fastness, a performance car does not make.

take the latest gen Toyota MR2 or a Mazda Miata/MX-5 for example. definetly performance oriented cars, but pretty slow.

hell, a Mazda RX-8 isnt all that much faster than an Si and it can hang with M3's and 350Z around a track.
 
from ROAD & TRACK:

Looking at the test numbers, the Mini and the GTI are dead even to 60 mph (6.3 seconds) and just one-tenth of a second apart at the quarter mile, where the VW's 14.8 edges out the Mini's 14.9. The Cooper S still feels like it pulls marginally harder, and it might, but the GTI's seamless DSG shifts erase any time advantage the conventionally shifted Mini may enjoy. Both cars are barely quicker than the normally aspirated Civic Si (6.6 sec., 15.0 sec.),

from edmunds:
(note that edmunds does not list a 0-60 time for these cars, but in the ABOVE post the GTI beat the civic in both 0-60 and 1/4mi. strange.)

Our Civic test car felt right at home peeling off consistent quarter-mile times. Proving that its high-revving engine is potent, if not flexible, its 15.2-second pass beat the GTI through the quarter-mile by one-tenth of a second.

from motortrend:

But keep up it does, ripping off a 0-to-60-mph dash of 6.3 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.9 seconds at 94.7 mph. At the track, the Si was nearly 2.0 seconds a lap quicker, thanks to a front limited-slip diff that effectively puts down power and a suspension that always leaves the Si composed and planted--evidenced by 0.89 g on the skidpad (0.83 for the GTI) and a 26.8-second run through the figure eight (27.2, GTI). Not only does the Si stay flat at the track, it also remains compliant around the city, delivering a taut ride that's nearly as forgiving as the VW's.

Autoweek:

The Si is easier to control at launch, thanks to a standard front limited-slip differential. We got the most traction at 2500 rpm, and the car needs a sensitive foot to avoid excess wheelspin. The Honda is around two-tenths of a second slower than the VW, posting a 6.53-second time to 60 mph, and a 14.93-second run at 95.7 mph for the quarter-mile.

Car & Driver:

The Si gripped the skidpad at Willow Springs International Raceway to the tune of 0.91 g....As we quickly discovered on mountain roads outside Ojai, California, the engine goes from grimalkin to tomcat when the cam timing changes at 6000 rpm. A 0-to-60 run takes 6.7 seconds


I'm looking for more. most of these are mid 6's 0-60. I THINK that once you get used to the car, you should be able to pull off a faster time. ALSO, there are countless 0-60 times here that are lower than 6 whatever.


did you see the skidpad numbrs? .89-.91G. amazing.
 
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