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What is the safest way to mount a 5 point harness then? I have it mounted to a frame bolt under the front of the rear seats. Ill post a picture if you need a visual.

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What is the safest way to mount a 5 point harness then? I have it mounted to a frame bolt under the front of the rear seats. Ill post a picture if you need a visual.

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You can mount the lap belts to the OEM lap belt mounting points, the shoulder belts to the crossbar of a bolted or welded in roll cage, directly behind the seat and at shoulder level, and the 5th point through the hole in the seat to an FIA style anchor under the seat. That is the ONLY way to install the harness safely.

However, keep in mind that using a harness is potentially deadly if you are in an accident and should never be used on the street, period. Keep in mind that having a roll cage or roll bar is potentially deadly if you are in an accident and aren't wearing a helmet.
 

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Thanks for the info, Ill go switch back to the oem seat belt now.
Your welcome. Hey, I know people are going to run harnesses on the street regardless, but they at least deserve to have the correct information about the dangers, so that they can make an informed decision to run them or not.

Glad you're one of the smart ones that has decided to make the right choice ;)
 

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Hah ya your right, I was running this because I thought it was safer. But after reading this thread it kinda scared me into changing my mind.
 

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Hah ya your right, I was running this because I thought it was safer. But after reading this thread it kinda scared me into changing my mind.
There are many dangerous aftermarket devices that qualify as 'unsafety equipment'.

Okay, I'm making this post in an attempt to save anyone who wishes to install a harness, harness bar, or roll cage from ending up paralyzed or dead. I see improperly used and improperly installed equipment on a regualr basis, and it kills me to see people risking their lives and their passengers lives simply because they don't have the pertinent information.

You NEVER mount harnesses to the floor, period. What is keeping you from doing a face plant on the steering wheel/dash in a front end collision? The seatback? That seat would snap like a toothpick. Not only that, as you fly forward into the dash, and you will, in even a low speed accident, the harness is going to pull down on your shoulders and compress your spine causing a debilitating or fatal back injury.

Furthermore, harnesses, harness bars, and roll cages have no place in a street car, period.

DO NOT USE HARNESS BARS for safety equipment. Use a bolted or welded in roll cage. But you are putting your life on the line if you use a roll cage, or even a harness bar without wearing a helmet AT ALL TIMES in the car. I know of someone who was killed in a 25mph collision when he bumped his head on his harness bar.

DO NOT USE ROLL BARS/CAGES on the street. You should never get into a car that has any type of roll cage or roll bar in it unless you wear a helmet at all times. See above for a further explaination of why a helmet is necessary.

DO NOT USE 4 POINT HARNESSES. Use 5 or 6 point harnesses. The reason you submarine out of a 4 point harness is that your upper body does not lean forward and over the lap belt like it would with a 3 point. Thus, the g forces force your body out under the lap belt. The act of submarining out of a belt is going to seriously injure and potentially kill you, but once you've submarined out of the harness, you can also be ejected from the car. Also, if you have a 5 or 6 point harness and it works as it should, it decelerates your torso instantly in a frontal impact, but your head will continue moving forward. This will result in a debilitating or fatal neck injury or instantly fatal basular skull fracture. Oh and that front airbag, forget about it because you'll never reach it if the harness works. Never use a harness on the street, period.

Next, harnesses should only be mounted at shoulder level and mounted only to a welded or bolted in roll cage, period. Mounting to the floor, or rear seatbelt mounts, causes the harness to pull down on your shoulders and crush your spine when you are in a frontal impact, causing a debilitating or fatal back injury. Also, you will be hitting the steering wheel/dash with full force if you've bolted the harness to the floor. The only place I would say that it is remotely safe to use an improperly installed harness is the autocross. This is because collisions at autocross events are more than rare, so you would not be at much risk of using the harness as a safety restraint. But, injuries are still possible, at least you can now weigh the risks and make an informed decision as to whether or not you use this equipment in your car.

STREET CARS DO NOT USE AFTERMARTKET SEATS. Well, they don't when they have integral airbags in the seats. When you remove the seats with airbags, the airbag light comes on, and you have now DISABLED EVERY AIRBAG IN THE CAR. You have no more front, side, or curtain airbags. You have also put yourself in hot water with your insurance company by removing your factory safety equipment. If you or someone else is injured or killed in your vehicle, even if the accident is the other guy's fault, you are going to get sued, along with the guy who hit you.

I've had several people mention that 'race cars' use this type of safety equipment, but....

Also consider that accidents in race cars are NOT usually as severe as accidents on the street. Everyone is going the same direction on a race track, so no head on collisions. The track is lined with tire walls and barriers so that it is highly unlikely that you could hit a solid object like a tree. The track is set up so that collisions are deflected and cars can't deccelerate all at once. There should be no spot on a track where you can go head on into something and deccelerate intantly. On the street, the hazards and potential impacts are far greater in likelihood and severity than on a track.

Furthermore, The safety equipment used in 'race cars' is a system, period. You cannot pick and choose what equipment you want to use. No harness without a HANS, no HANS without a helmet, no cage without a helmet, the list keeps going in cirlces. YOU NEED EVERYTHING. Race car drivers do not piecemeal their safety equipment together.

The factory safety equipment is the best possible design for street use and is also a system. When you remove or change one piece, nothing else works like it should. It kills me to see people risking and losing their lives so that they can have some Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements on their cars.

If self preservation is at all alive within you, use your factory safety equipment AND ONLY YOUR FACTORY SAFETY EQUIPMENT on the street.
 

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Front seat plastic back removal

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Can anyone post a few pics of how I can remove the plastic back for the front seats (the one with the map pocket)? I want to take it apart for a reupholster and i don't want to mess up any clips.
Thanks in advance.
 

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Do you have any recommendations for shorter seat brackets for stock seats? I'd like to gain about an inch of headroom if possible.
I have no suggestions. I have no idea what my friend used. I'll ask him next time I see him, but that might not be for a while.


I know whatever he used it didn't just bolt up, he had to modify the slider or the seat or both.
 

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I am traveling to Asia in a few weeks and was thinking about picking up some leather seat covers. Do you guys know if the dimensions of the jdm seats are identical to the NA ones?

Thanks! :vtec:
 

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wish i had the guts to reupholster my own seats.. :( i want them in black/blue stitching and all my airbags working. maybe at some point.
 

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Except that if you have a remotely fast car you have no choice but to put in a roll cage too actually race it at the track. It goes both ways... Go look up escort cosworth (fully caged w/ no helmets) vs enzo and watch the car go off at 190mph and flip literally 20 times and both driver and passenger walk out completely untouched. Let me ask you this in cars that have no oem steering wheels anymore do you think they're whole airbag system doesn't deploy also?
 

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Here are my seats.





I retained the stock seatbelts for DD and only use the harnesses for meets/shows.

Testify convinced me. lol
 

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Hey all,
Wasn't quite sure where to post this but...
I've been looking and looking and have been unable to find a direct replacement for my 2006 si coupe front seats (lots of tears, fabric needs replacing, long story). I found some from an 07' sedan, but was told they would not be a direct replacement. I just want them to fit in the brackets and look good, so if I could find an 06 si sedan works I'm ok with that. The honda tech said the 06 sedan should work. Any thoughts on where to get some? I've already googled salvage yards across the country to no avail.
 
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