cuz i payed the 9$ plus got the 5$drink and the 6$ popcorn, i should be able to say hey this looks like its going s**k b**lsunplugged said:why is it for once when people are watching movie previews before the actual movie starts, everyone thinks they are a movie critic.
Because it's not always right. You're relying on a single set of computations to tell the user to change their oil without knowing what kind of oil is even being used. The system will generally tell you to change your oil at around ~5,000 miles, but depending on the oil you use, it could last a lot longer than that.ffswizzlestick said:
Why would it not be right?Yodums said:Because it's not always right.
The Maintenance minder was DESIGNED around the ability of the recommended oil. If you use full synthetic then you just have extra security.You're relying on a single set of computations to tell the user to change their oil without knowing what kind of oil is even being used.
The maintance minder in my wifes Benz goes beyond 10k. Many german cars go 20-30k on one oil change.The system will generally tell you to change your oil at around ~5,000 miles, but depending on the oil you use, it could last a lot longer than that.
Then that would be "special"! Can you buy the break in oil at a parts store, NO. I don't think you can even order the breakin in oil.The manual states that there's a special break in oil. It's really nothing more than Honda factory oil mixed with an additive that makes it look extremely dark.
Again, not many people on these boards are using the recommended oil. Why would I follow the maintenance minder if I'm using an oil such as Amsoil XLF? Conversely, what about the people who are running a forced induction setup?ryker said:Why would it not be right?
I'm not sure about the first bit, but completely agree with the latter. I was working at Mercedes-Benz when they were developing their OLM system for synthetic oil, in the end the engineers determined that there was just a single metric that needed to be measured to determine when the oil should be changed. The metric? The number of liters of fuel used since the last reset. FWIW, BMW determined the same thing and that is the only metric they use as well.ryker said:The MM should use numerous computations and they are much more accurate than the ignorant 3k changes.
Twenty to thirty thousand miles? Really? Which ones? My last BMW recommended the first oil change at about 13,000 miles, although that isn't too surprising as I picked it up in Germany and drove much of the first 1,200 miles at speeds north of 90 mph and speeds of north of 120 for the remainder of the trip. For the second oil change the car recommended it at 19,000 miles which wasn't a surprise either. Why? Because I spent most of that period driving back and forth between southern New Hampshire and Long Island.ryker said:The maintenance minder in my wifes Benz goes beyond 10k. Many german cars go 20-30k on one oil change.
True, you cannot buy break-in oil per-se; however, you can buy break-in additives (I've been using this stuff for decades).ryker said:Then that would be "special"! Can you buy the break in oil at a parts store, NO. I don't think you can even order the breakin in oil.
I've gotta disagree here. From my readings of the posts on this board, a significant majority of folks on this board go to their dealership for oil changes. I have to assume that most dealerships use the recommended oil.Yodums said:Again, not many people on these boards are using the recommended oil.
Agreed, same story if you use Mobil 1 or German Castrol. That said, for the duration of the warranty period I would absolutely adhere to the MM, regardless of how robust the oil is.Yodums said:Why would I follow the maintenance minder if I'm using an oil such as Amsoil XLF?
Good question. Given how robust the Honda approved oils are proving to be (via UOAs posted on BITOG), it would be interesting to see if forced induction does actually shorten oil life. I do know that when BMW upgraded their flagship I6 engine from a normally aspirated 3.0 liter mill to a dual turbocharged 3.0 liter I6, they didn't change the oil spec, the oil capacity or anything else for that matter, and yet the OLM on the 335i and 535i still target a 15,000 mile OCI.Yodums said:Conversely, what about the people who are running a forced induction setup?
Speaking strictly for myself, my guess is that if someone is running synthetic oil with a 12,000 mile OCI in either Civic engine, and then said engine goes Tango Uniform (and there are a few accounts here and elsewhere of these engines failing early), Honda might deny warranty coverage because the MM hadn't been followed.ffswizzlestick said:If someone isn't using recommended fluids, why does it matter if they change the fluids when honda recommends?