OEM oil filter part # ???
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15400-plm-a02 is the oil filter part number. It can be found at any stealership near you for under 7 (I pay 5ish). OEM oil specs are 5w30, but I suggest a good synthetic 5w30 instead of dino oil used at the dealership.
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Just found some info::
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Honda's very recent change in E oil filter supplier from Filtech (Dana/Wix) to Honeywell (a/k/a Fram) caused me to ask, "OK, what in the heck is in that new blue can? Is it the same as the orange can? And what was in the old blue can?" Well, this snowballed into including a couple of selected aftermarket filters, and then, and then, and then... and by the time all was said and done, I'd cut apart 8 filters!
[BTW... this affliction runs in the family. My wife spent the evening - while I was away at a meeting - separating all the M&Ms from a 5-pound bag into their colors to prove to me that there are more browns than anything else. There aren't, but we were gypped on reds. ]
The subjects:
Honda 15400-PLM-A01, $4.88 from H&A Accessories
Honda 15400-PLM-A02, $5.95 from local dealer
Advance Auto "totalgrip" AA7317, $2.50
Purolator PureOne PL14610, $5 at Advance Auto
Fram Extra Guard PH7317, $5 at Advance Auto
Wix 51356, $6 at local parts supplier
Bosch Premium 3323, $7 at AutoZone
Mobil1 M1-110, $11 at AutoZone
Amsoil SDF13, $14 at local Parts-Plus franchise
Summary
Best: Honda 15400-PLM-A01, by a large margin. This is the "old" blue can.
Alternative: Wix 51356, but with more frequent changes.
Worst: A tie between Fram Extra Guard and Honda 15400-PLM-A02; Amsoil and Mobil1 get very bad marks for too-little filtering.
Surprise: Mobil1's and Amsoil's pathetic amount of actual filter.
Advice: Stock-up on 15400-PLM-A01 if you can!
Program Notes
I have to do this in installments. I will post the text first to get the info out, and will come back later to add pictures. Check for text edits, too, as I discover things that may need revision or clarification, or to add links, etc.
Also, I have no means to "test" these filters for flow rates, pressure drops, overpressure capacity, time-to-bypass, media efficiency, anti-drainback leakage... or anything else that simulates operating conditions. We'll have to leave that to the pros with the multi-million-dollar test labs, should anybody outside of the industry ever bother to publish results. :-|
Caution - Contains Major Bubble-Bursting!
The (in my estimation) worst filters relative to total filtering capacity were the two most expensive - Mobil1, at $11 and Amsoil, at a whopping $14 (is there gold inside?). These two respectively had 48% and 32% the filtering media of the Honda -A01 filter. For some reason these two brands have some manner of "Holy Grail" following, but I'm going to beg to differ - for the filters spec'ed by the makers for the E, you are paying 2-3X for less than half the filter. Nice work if you can get it.
15400-PLM-A01 ("Filtech") on left, 15400-PLM-A02 ("Honeywell") on right:
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Honda's very recent change in E oil filter supplier from Filtech (Dana/Wix) to Honeywell (a/k/a Fram) caused me to ask, "OK, what in the heck is in that new blue can? Is it the same as the orange can? And what was in the old blue can?" Well, this snowballed into including a couple of selected aftermarket filters, and then, and then, and then... and by the time all was said and done, I'd cut apart 8 filters!
[BTW... this affliction runs in the family. My wife spent the evening - while I was away at a meeting - separating all the M&Ms from a 5-pound bag into their colors to prove to me that there are more browns than anything else. There aren't, but we were gypped on reds. ]
The subjects:
Honda 15400-PLM-A01, $4.88 from H&A Accessories
Honda 15400-PLM-A02, $5.95 from local dealer
Advance Auto "totalgrip" AA7317, $2.50
Purolator PureOne PL14610, $5 at Advance Auto
Fram Extra Guard PH7317, $5 at Advance Auto
Wix 51356, $6 at local parts supplier
Bosch Premium 3323, $7 at AutoZone
Mobil1 M1-110, $11 at AutoZone
Amsoil SDF13, $14 at local Parts-Plus franchise
Summary
Best: Honda 15400-PLM-A01, by a large margin. This is the "old" blue can.
Alternative: Wix 51356, but with more frequent changes.
Worst: A tie between Fram Extra Guard and Honda 15400-PLM-A02; Amsoil and Mobil1 get very bad marks for too-little filtering.
Surprise: Mobil1's and Amsoil's pathetic amount of actual filter.
Advice: Stock-up on 15400-PLM-A01 if you can!
Program Notes
I have to do this in installments. I will post the text first to get the info out, and will come back later to add pictures. Check for text edits, too, as I discover things that may need revision or clarification, or to add links, etc.
Also, I have no means to "test" these filters for flow rates, pressure drops, overpressure capacity, time-to-bypass, media efficiency, anti-drainback leakage... or anything else that simulates operating conditions. We'll have to leave that to the pros with the multi-million-dollar test labs, should anybody outside of the industry ever bother to publish results. :-|
Caution - Contains Major Bubble-Bursting!
The (in my estimation) worst filters relative to total filtering capacity were the two most expensive - Mobil1, at $11 and Amsoil, at a whopping $14 (is there gold inside?). These two respectively had 48% and 32% the filtering media of the Honda -A01 filter. For some reason these two brands have some manner of "Holy Grail" following, but I'm going to beg to differ - for the filters spec'ed by the makers for the E, you are paying 2-3X for less than half the filter. Nice work if you can get it.
15400-PLM-A01 ("Filtech") on left, 15400-PLM-A02 ("Honeywell") on right:
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where did you find this at? I kinda want to see pics now... Hopefully my parts manager can still get me some a01s.
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Good info on oil filters here too: Engine Oil Filters
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The oil cap on my SI says 5w30... I have always used that. It is also in your manual.
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Thanks, but those are the A02 model filters. Do you know where to buy OEM 5w30 oil by chance besides the dealer? handaaccesories only has 5w20 for some reason.
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The dealership, but I would use a synthetic personally. Go to Bob Is The Oil Guy forums to decide which is best for you.
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Can you show me a thread that you got the rumor info from? I was planning on using regular Castrol GTX if I cant find oem 5w30. I dont want to fool with synthetic, I hear about too many leaks with it, plus its exspensive. I feel if you change your oil on time, conventinal oil will be just fine IMO.
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Mobil Clean 5000 - Decent Dino Oil? - Bob Is The Oil Guy
Nice man, thanks for the info on the MC5k, looks to be good stuff so im gonna run it. Any idea who make the OEM honda oil filters?
Bob is the oil guy has been talking about this forever. The OEM Honda stuff is either Mobil Clean 5000 or the cheaper bulk only Mobil Clean. I see you found some stuff over there already.
I would personally run the Mobil stuff over the Castrol conventional any day.
The OEM Honda filters are pretty close to a Fram Tough Guard; not bad but not the best you can get. You might look into a Purolator PureOne instead?
Just an FYI: On my wife's 09 Pilot I'm running MC5K with a PureOne and on my 08 Si I'm running Pennzoil Platinum with a PureOne. Look around BITOG at some UOA for the K20 running Pennz Plat, very impressive!
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I always used Castrol Syntec, and just switched to the new EDGE. No problems what so ever. And makes the car way easier on gas. And you don't need to change it every 5k. You can change it about every 8k. I change it every 10k, no problems. But buy a good filter. I started using NAPA Gold filters, and I find it works much better than FRAM or OEM filters.
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No idea. I am going to talk to my buddy who is a parts manager to see if he can scrounge some up. If there is a decent amount Ill pick em up and offer them to 8th members.
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