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my FA5 going under the knife...(06 up TSX cams)

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FA5 with 06 TSX cams, dyno sheets.

i decided to clean up this original post, alot of dyno sheets now with diferent combinations...

reason for all my dynoing, well my AFR's were a little lean, so im just tryin to get it all straighten out now.

here is a direct comparsion of my car and a Stock Si. stock Si's put down low 170's on this dyno, this SI put down 174WHP with 131 lbs ft, i put down 199WHP with 139 lbs ft of tq
my mods are
fujita short ram
P2R spacer
ported DC race header
NST pulleys
hondata IMG
hondata reflash
06 TSX cams


dyno jet figures with all my mods that are listed 211WHP



the scary AFR on my car with all the mods listed above



AFR on a stock Si



the AFR leans out just right with the CAMs... so what was the problem? FUJITA SRI was letting in to much un metered air and causeing it to lean out over 1 FULL point vs the stock airbox... my findings are the diameter or the fujita is bigger than the stock airbox... and the dividers that the factory airbox have are there for a reason... i got nothing but consistant AFR through the whole power band with the stock box..

here is the fujita SRI AFR vs my Stock airbox AFR



next graph here is all mods listed above with the exception of the P2R spacer vs NO spacer and NO fujita short ram...(stock box) look closely, i picked up 2 lbs ft of tq but i did lose about 8 WHP with the stock airbox but its only over 7500...



dynojet figures fujita VS airbox.... 208.9 WHP with SRI and 201.3 with the stock airbox.



ALL THESE FIGURES ARE SAE CORRECTED!!!!

here is all the cam info again

******** cam part and price info from acuracarland.com*********

14110-RBB-A00 CAMSHAFT, IN. 1 2006 TSX list 420.48 there price 336.38
14120-RBB-000 CAMSHAFT, EX. 1 2006 TSX list 439.13 there price 351.30

DO NOT BUY 04-05 TSX intake CAMSHAFT they are not the same... they have less lift and duration on the highcam lobe.... "14110-RBB-000 CAMSHAFT, IN. 1 2005 TSX list 439.13 there price 351.30" its more expensive too...
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new sheets with video are up

1st post at the bottom.

icing it down... lol

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Great thread! How did I ever miss this one?
maybe because we have about million separate intake and exhaust threads all the time... LOL someone should sticky this.
Do you have a/f readings from the recent dyno? Someone made a comment about your first one being a little lean
legendman said:
Do you have a/f readings from the recent dyno? Someone made a comment about your first one being a little lean
yea im trying to scan them now... its lean again, 14.5-14.6 and right around 7900 to 8600 it richens up to 13.3... weird... i honestly think that its my P2R spacer causing the lean condition... i removed it.. and i will redyno in about another week.
not sure... but car made max power on the 3rd run anyway.
getting another dyno tonight this time with no P2R spacer...
:popcorn:
sorry guys, dyno will be tonight.. im trying to get my A/F to richen back up, will report later on tonight...
ok guys, got some interesting info from tonight... the P2R spacer did not really make me lean like i thought it did... it did keep me leaner longer toward 8000 RPMS as opposed to 7700RPMS without it... when it goes rich toward the end of the power band it goes richer by about a full point to 13.5 AFR...

im happy to report that the P2R spacer is worth about 2WHP and 1 lb ft of tq on the superflow dyno which should be about 2.2WHP on a dyno jet... good mod for that extra edge;)

NOW... why was my car running sooo lean.... well its the CAMs that made it go lean, i put the stock box back in the car and did 2 more runs and the car made 190WHP and 192WHP with the spacer and airbox... so o lost about 8 WHP up top only with out the fujita short RAM...BUT :) im back at 13.4 to 13.3 AFR across the board and it richens out at 7700 to 12.3, so i think the fujita pipe diameter is playing with my AFR's in a bad way. thinking about getting the injen now :\ will post all my new new sheets tomorrow.... discuss guys...
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xfactorwrx said:
ok guys, got some interesting info from tonight... the P2R spacer did not really make me lean like i thought it did... it did keep me leaner longer toward 8000 RPMS as opposed to 7700RPMS without it... when it goes rich toward the end of the power band it goes richer by about a full point to 13.5 AFR...

im happy to report that the P2R spacer is worth about 2WHP and 1 lb ft of tq on the superflow dyno which should be about 2.2WHP on a dyno jet... good mod for that extra edge;)

NOW... why was my car running sooo lean.... well its the CAMs that made it go lean, i put the stock box back in the car and did 2 more runs and the car made 190WHP and 192WHP with the spacer and airbox... so o lost about 8 WHP up top only with out the fujita short RAM...BUT :) im back at 13.4 to 13.3 AFR across the board and it richens out at 7700 to 12.3, so i think the fujita pipe diameter is playing with my AFR's in a bad way. thinking about getting the injen now :\ will post all my new new sheets tomorrow.... discuss guys...
Modded Stock Air box FTW!!!

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xfactorwrx said:
ok guys, got some interesting info from tonight... the P2R spacer did not really make me lean like i thought it did... it did keep me leaner longer toward 8000 RPMS as opposed to 7700RPMS without it... when it goes rich toward the end of the power band it goes richer by about a full point to 13.5 AFR...

im happy to report that the P2R spacer is worth about 2WHP and 1 lb ft of tq on the superflow dyno which should be about 2.2WHP on a dyno jet... good mod for that extra edge;)

NOW... why was my car running sooo lean.... well its the CAMs that made it go lean, i put the stock box back in the car and did 2 more runs and the car made 190WHP and 192WHP with the spacer and airbox... so o lost about 8 WHP up top only with out the fujita short RAM...BUT :) im back at 13.4 to 13.3 AFR across the board and it richens out at 7700 to 12.3, so i think the fujita pipe diameter is playing with my AFR's in a bad way. thinking about getting the injen now :\ will post all my new new sheets tomorrow.... discuss guys...

so you left the tsx cams out for good?
Hmmmmmm, so it seems an intake might yield some gains with proper cams and tuning...interesting....
:thumb:
And everyone dogging the SR and CAI. They are worth something..
worth what?
a lean afr which could = a messed up motor
stutter here and there
etc etc ....

a lean afr will almost always equal bigger numbers ... but too lean is not good ...

if he had to tune the afr only and richen it up with the cai or sri / fujita he's using ... he'd have lost power all the same ...

"maybe" if he could tune the entire thing, angles etc etc then "maybe" the intake would be worth something ...

otherwise i'd stick to stock box > whatever is out there intake wise
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