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Hopefully this will eliminate the need for alot of questions being asked over and over.
 

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What if Honda tells you something different than the maintenance minder? Like they put a sticker on my window after my last oil change reminding me to have it changed again at 18,000 miles - 3,000 miles after the 15,000 mile service I had. I was just gonna wait and do it at 20k miles with the B1 or whatever.
 

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What if Honda tells you something different than the maintenance minder? Like they put a sticker on my window after my last oil change reminding me to have it changed again at 18,000 miles - 3,000 miles after the 15,000 mile service I had. I was just gonna wait and do it at 20k miles with the B1 or whatever.

Good point ... the Honda dealer / mechanic is suggesting changing your oil every 3K..... as will just about every other shop / mechanic that is in that business.

Good site for motor oil info: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/
 

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Sli(k said:
What if Honda tells you something different than the maintenance minder? Like they put a sticker on my window after my last oil change reminding me to have it changed again at 18,000 miles - 3,000 miles after the 15,000 mile service I had. I was just gonna wait and do it at 20k miles with the B1 or whatever.
Honda doesn't put oil change stickers on anything (your car or otherwise), your dealer does (which BTW is an independent business and NOT Honda), and unless the sticker matches up with what Honda put in the manual that came with your car, simply rip the damn thing off and throw it in the trash. Follow the manual, track your oil changes, keep your receipts and you're good to go.
 

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+1 rep for you. Great write up.:thumb:
 

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Ive personally used 90% of ALL Synthetic oils out there, and my top 2 are Mobile 1, and Royal Purple.
 

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For oil changes it is always best to follow Honda's Reccomendations. You will get different answers from different people on when should do the first change should be. The only correct answer is follow what is reccomended. Some people have done the 1st oil change as soon as when they go home from the dealership and some have done it at 5k. Remember Honda built the engine and they know best.
It has been established that the "break-in" oil is nothing more than Honda factory oil (sourced by Mobil) mixed with assembly paste (which is high in Molybdenum Disulfide). Yes, the manual says to leave it in. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with changing it out. Honda does know their product best, but physics and chemistry don't lie.

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CONVENTIONAL OIL
It is always reccemended to change conventional oil between 3000-5000 miles. Their is minimal anti-ware & cleaning additives in conventional oil. This oil in most cases will not hold up & protect past 3000-5000 miles.
This is kinda misleading. The level of additives in conventional oil is not "minimal". Additive levels are always different from oil to oil. There are plenty of dino oils that have more additives than synthetics, since they are all formulated for serving different purposes. And who recommends 3-5K miles?

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SYNTHETIC BLEND OIL
Synthetic Blend formulas are a blend of premium conventional base fluids and a high-performance synthetic fluid. Also, these formulas offer an extra level of cleaning agents versus conventional oil. These oil changes are reccomended from 5000-7500 miles.
Again, where did you dig up this figure of 5-7.5K miles?

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SYNTHETIC OIL
Yes Synthetic oil is better for your car. Yes you can go longer on oil change drains. Reccomended drains range from 7,500 miles / 6 months to 15,000 miles / 1 year depending on which oil company you go with. Yes it will help with getting better gas mileage. NO it will not fix internal engine problems. Again I am not gonna debate on which brand of synthetic oil is better or worse so I will just talk about Synthetic Oil in general. Just remember that with Synthetic oil if you are going to be extending your drains you should get a high quality oil filter that can handle the extended drains.
Some clarifications. Synthetic oil, while being a superior lubricant in many ways, provides very little benefit in gas mileage over dino oils. In fact, you will probably notice less than 1-2 MPG difference, if you see one at all. The viscosity grade of the oil, synthetic or dino, which have a larger impact.

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To meet the demanding requirements of today's specifications Synthetic Oil uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with more additives then conventional. Each viscosity grade (5w30, 10w30, etc.) uses a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.
A court judge ruled that the word "synthetic" can be used by an oil company to describe a large variety of base stocks, even ones that are not truly synthetic (such as Group III). "Synthetic" is more of a marketing term than an actual property used to describe oils by those in the industry.

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WHAT BRAND OF MOTOR OIL OUTSIDE OF HONDA SHOULD I USE?
If you ask what brand of motor oil to use outside of OEM Honda you will get different answers from different people. I say use Mobil 1, other people say use Royal Purple, some people sale use Valvoline, some people say use Amsoil, etc. ... There is no right or wrong answer on which oil to use outside of OEM Honda Oil. The best thing to do is so some research on each brand and see what floats your boat the most. Also you can call your Honda dealership and ask what they reccomend for motor oil.
This issue ties in with your estimated oil change interval recommendations. THE ONLY TRUE WAY TO DETERMINE IF A SPECIFIC OIL IS APPROPRIATE FOR YOUR SPECIFIC ENGINE IS TO HAVE AN ANALYSIS DONE ON THE USED OIL. For the average motorist, they do not care about wear rates or shearing or fuel dilution, so I can understand that people don't want to spend $30 to do a Used Oil Analysis. However, if you don't, you are only guessing as to how well the oil is protecting, and how long of a drain interval you can use. This is why I object to the estimated intervals you gave. As an example, Mobil 1 5W-30 may show excellent results in a GM engine and allow 7,000mi intervals, but show increased rates of wear and heavy fuel dilution in a Ford engine, and require changing every 3,000mi. (This example is representative only, and not actually true.) A particular oil, while it may be considered excellent overall, may perform poorly in a particular engine.

A UOA is the only true method of finding the proper oil for your car. I cannot stress this enough. If you are reading this and you really care about long term wear, look into finding a good oil analysis lab.

Also, let me quote myself from another thread...

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The truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter what kind of oil you use. You could use the cheapest dino oil you can find, do 5K OCIs, and still have an engine last 200,000+ miles. In essence, this debate about the quality of engine oil is for hobbyists, since no one else is concerned with the nuances of engine wear. Keeping this in mind, you must consider the synthetic vs. dino argument in context. Lower pour point temps, reduced oxidation rates, better surface tension and adhesion to metal parts for decreased start-up wear; these are all reasons why synthetic is better. Do you need it? No.
I find myself justifying the use of synthetic oil by saying I'm an enthusiast, using the best possible materials just because I care that much. But in reality, none of it is necessary. Keep this in mind if you are on a tight budget.
 

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A slight correction:

televascular said:
A court judge ruled that the word "synthetic" can be used by an oil company to describe a large variety of base stocks, even ones that are not truly synthetic (such as Group III). "Synthetic" is more of a marketing term than an actual property used to describe oils by those in the industry.
The whole Mobil versus Castrol, Group IV "PAO Synthetic" versus Group III "hydrocracked Synthetic" thing never actually went to court. The issue was brought up in front of an advertising council of some sort and the decision was arbitrated within that body.
 

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dino = dyno?

I was always led to believe that synthetics are a much cleaner oil. Burnoff of oil is inevitable in any engine and synthetics will leave less carbon buildup.

Being an owner of both a 94 1.5 and an 07 1.8, I've seen massive buildup (especially around the valves) in the 94 when I did my rebuild. The car has had scheduled oil changes from its previous owner and shown in the records, hasn't seen a drop of any but pennzoil 5w30.

If synthetics were used from the first change, would the buildup be less of a problem at the time I rebuilt the engine?
 
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