[ruloSI]

The Kelford 179-A have primary and secondary lobes that are slightly larger than the TSX cams and are designed for basic bolt-ons and stock compression ratio. However the cams will require tuning and the only "drop-in" part is that the stock valvetrain and timing chain components will work with them. After reading the Import Tuner article, the cams actually lost power past baseline once they were installed. After tuning, they made more power than the RRC manifold tune.

Also, I don't know if ruloSI and I are thinking of the same person, but the person who did the stage 2 cams and had the thread locked here on 8th Civic (still is open at K20a.org [here's the thread]) didn't have the proper setup for what his cams were designed for (the 179-B). Those cams are for extensively build motors. That includes higher compression ratios (probably at least 12.0:1 on stock displacement), increased displacement, head work, free flowing intakes and exhaust among other things.

Can't rule out a set of cams if they weren't put in the right setup. Plus, Import Tuner is the only place I've seen that actually has a damn dyno chart on any Kelford cams, so I say eff all this hearsay.

True. We are talking about the same person. Well, I hope one of you chaps is able to test this cam and get more conclusive results.

Best regards,

Rulo

 

[skinsfn36]

I wish they would have done the RRC then cams (or vice-versa) to compare gains with each mod. From the last "test" of the Kelford Cams (albeit stage 2) the gains were "bad" (they never posted the results). So, I would say take these gains with a grain of salt.

Best regards,

Rulo

They did do that. The article isn't online yet, but go pick up the mag. They did the RRC untuned; RRC tuned; then RRC / kelford drop ins untuned; last RRC/kelford cams tuned

It turned up being like 18whp tuned from the cams after the RRC was put it. The RRC gained a pretty good amount as well.

 

[jdizzle37]

^ Truth.

I'm surprised Kelford hasn't been offering their stuff to more community members to try. Prior to their cams release, I expressed interest in testing their stage 1 cams as a shop here in SD was offered to give a couple sets to their customers to demonstrate them. The shop however was an Evo only shop so they had no use for them and I was informed about this after Kelford's trial period. They said they felt confident enough that people will buy them but they've been out for a while and there seems to be few users out there.

Honestly, I've done so much research on cams and talked a bunch of shops and manufactures and I feel like these are probably one of the top 3 for the price and even though I'm done modding my car, I just might switch to these despite having some already.

 

[Evasive Motorsports]

I wish they would have done the RRC then cams (or vice-versa) to compare gains with each mod. From the last "test" of the Kelford Cams (albeit stage 2) the gains were "bad" (they never posted the results). So, I would say take these gains with a grain of salt.

Best regards,

Rulo

The test mule in Import Tuner was my 2009 Civic and we did test the RRC manifold by itself. I have not read the article yet, but after bolting on the the manifold the car had initially lost significant power. After it was tuned we saw a gain of about 15hp. The car topped out at around 225hp with the manifold (DCRH, DC 65mm exhaust, K&N Drop in filter, Hondata Flashpro, and Honda intake manifold gasket). The next dyno session after the stage 1 cams were installed we finalized it at 243.7hp considering it was around 85 degrees or so that day. So it was about a 19hp gain just off cams after the tune was complete with the manifold. There was definitely more power to be made, but it would have required more rev, as you can see from the dyno sheet below, it was still making power with no dropping off whatsoever until we finally let off the gas, but unfortunately we were still on stock valve train. All testing done on 91 pump gas.

We chose to install the RRC manifold first because most people out there would most likely choose to install an intake manifold before they install cams. We will be doing some further testing on a 5.06 FD trans, throttle body spacer + Maxbore 65mm throttle body...hopefully with the shorter gear ratio we can shift the power band slightly over more to allow more room for more power at max rev.

All the products involved in this build can be purchased through us at Evasive Motorsports.

Hugh

 

[Evasive Motorsports]

i am surprised to see how much valvetrain noise there is with those drop in cams

Valve train noise is to a minimum, you can barely even tell there are cams in there.....

Hugh

 

[ruloSI]

Nice gains! I assume the baseline is IHE untuned? Also, do you have any runs of the Kelford Stg1s without RRC? Thanks for your testing and expanding this community's options.

Best regards,

Rulo

 

[skinsfn36]

Evasive, is there any specfic reason you haven't stuck an aftermarket intake on there yet? Also, would a ported RBC be better than the RRC? I have a spare RBC I've been wanting to do something with and these cams look like what will come right after the manifold.

 

[JDM_DOHC_SiR]

Good info...

 

[Evasive Motorsports]

Nice gains! I assume the baseline is IHE untuned? Also, do you have any runs of the Kelford Stg1s without RRC? Thanks for your testing and expanding this community's options.

Best regards,

Rulo

Please note I'm doing my best to go off memory, the results were from April.
1) Baseline was IHE, with Hondata Flash Pro... 210hp
2) Installing RRC then baseline... 185hp
3) Erick had to tune for the lost HP and easily found it, a 40hp turn around, so you cannot just simply bolt on the manifold and expect any type of gains... 225hp
4) Last step was to tune the cams. What we found was the cams like to be revved. For every 100 RPM increments the engine and cams were liking it.
8500 RPM 239
8600 RPM 242
8700 RPM 243.7
Unfortunately we were limited to rev due to the motor pretty much being stock.

Like mentioned in my previous post it made more sense to do the tuning with the manifold first. It would have been an unfair advantage to test the cams first and then the manifold. The manifold may have yielded more than average gains to a motor that has stock cams.

I will keep everyone posted when I do go back for more tuning with a few new simple bolt-ons including a slightly larger exhaust. Hopefully we can find some more torque some where in the motor.

Hugh

 

[Evasive Motorsports]

Evasive, is there any specfic reason you haven't stuck an aftermarket intake on there yet? Also, would a ported RBC be better than the RRC? I have a spare RBC I've been wanting to do something with and these cams look like what will come right after the manifold.

Originally there was a hot air intake on there, which may have yielded a little more torque and maybe a little more hp, but of course that is with the hood open with the intake receiving both a mixture of hot and fresh air. But it was hot as hell that week and we wanted to simulate the tuning closer to actually driving conditions. Although it maybe have been less volume in air, it wasn't hot air and would have more consistency in the test besides your avg heat soak from dynoing. I'm trying to max out the stock intake system to see what it can do first and later if I'm bored I will test it my set up with a CAI.
I have yet to see a ported RBC manifold make more power than an RRC. But that is just from what I have seen in my experience.

Hugh

 

[w00t692]

The one thing i see on this cam vs the stock cam, the stock cam is able to make about 200 hp @ or right before 6000 rpms. I see these cams have moved that over to about 6500 rpms.

 

[one7]

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[allmotorfa5]

The Kelford 179-A have primary and secondary lobes that are slightly larger than the TSX cams and are designed for basic bolt-ons and stock compression ratio. However the cams will require tuning and the only "drop-in" part is that the stock valvetrain and timing chain components will work with them. After reading the Import Tuner article, the cams actually lost power past baseline once they were installed. After tuning, they made more power than the RRC manifold tune.

Also, I don't know if ruloSI and I are thinking of the same person, but the person who did the stage 2 cams and had the thread locked here on 8th Civic (still is open at K20a.org [here's the thread]) didn't have the proper setup for what his cams were designed for (the 179-B). Those cams are for extensively build motors. That includes higher compression ratios (probably at least 12.0:1 on stock displacement), increased displacement, head work, free flowing intakes and exhaust among other things.

Can't rule out a set of cams if they weren't put in the right setup. Plus, Import Tuner is the only place I've seen that actually has a damn dyno chart on any Kelford cams, so I say eff all this hearsay.

The Kelford Stage 2's dont work. Period. No amount of compression was going to move more air thru the head, either unported, stock etc with those camshafts.

The Stage 1's I don't know about. While Kelford makes some killer Evo cams, I am far from impressed with there K Cams especially since there are a bazillion other PROVEN options out there.

Those Stage 2's didnt make power on any car we tried them on. In fact, the Drag Cartel Drop In Stage 1's made 6 more hp thruout just about the entire power band, as did the Skunk 2 Tuner 2's.

So Kelford vs TSX... I'll go TSX. Honda OEM FTW

 

[C1v1CSI08]

Well as far as brazzillion I'm not too sure, you should give these guys a chance, cmon no on else has enough balls to try out these cams and these were done by a sponsors car so I think these are better according to the dyno (fact) from the tsxs.

 

[Kenny311]

i agree. i was the first one to go out on a whim and get TSX cams with very little information about them. getting a cam swap dyno tuned is beneficial not only for yourself, but it can provide useful info to others here on the forum.

someone should go for it and post results. i always like the feeling of having something unique that produces great results.

 

[C1v1CSI08]

and there is nothing wrong with the TSX cams either, its good to SHOW what every cam can do with proven facts such as a dyno for everyone who chooses to go internally with their set up BEFORE they buy blind folded and OR go with hearsay.

 

[C1v1CSI08]

Thanks EVASIVE for a good job well done, il sure be keeping my out for these guys to when i get a chance to go with a cam swap!

 

[allmotorfa5]

We have the Kelford Stage 2's still there in the box. Pete is putting his race motor together with 14.1 compression and a FULL Ported and assembled head from Inline Pro. We will slap them in so you can see how " beneficial " they are.

I am never one for knocking camshafts, but with K2's available in 8620 material for under $800, or Skunk2 Tuner 2's for $5XX ish I can't see why anyone would want to try a new cam that isn't even proven. There is a reason for it.


Props however to Evasive for trying them out and doing a full writeup and getting it in the Magazine.

Rick

 

[Kenny311]

wow IPS cams under $1000? thats amazing

 

[Matt360]

I had to call Evasive like 6x's to get an answer last week and when I finally talked to someone they said they don't even sell these cams??