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Today, I had some parts installed excluding the RRC Oil Pump. Buddy didn't install it because I need to have cams on hand 1st.
Months b4, I been looking @ DC 2.2, Kelfords 179a & RSX IN Cams (2005-06) TSX EX Cams (2006-08). There are numerous cams out there that I have not listed & I am willing to assess others' point of view on what cams are good for my current "performance mod"......

-Takeda CAI (TA-1004B)
-RRC TB (16400-RRC-003) w/ Thermal Gasket
-RRC IM (17100-RRC-000 )w/ Thermal Gasket
-S2 Alpha Series Header (412-05-1930)
-FullRace Exhaust (FR153-152)
-Buddy Club P1 Crank Pulley Kit (BC05-P1PK20Z3-A)

Main question is..... "I don't want FP" & buddy recommends Kelford 179b.
Is it possible to run the vehicle efficiently w/out the need of FP w/ my current setup to include RRC Oil Pump once I get cams?
 

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you need flash pro end of story. your car is running like sh!t. im sorry but take all that sh!t off if you dont want flashpro.
What the hell is the point of not wanting flashpro?????
 

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I know FP can do much, but just think about it "abstractly", people are paying 1K+ on software alone
 

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I get @ certain level of modifications I do need FP in order to tune (i.e., boost). The joy of tuning brings out the potential of mods, its fun & thrilling. I just need to find out if I do need it as if an individual boosted his/her car [& of course tuning is necessary in order to not f*** up the engine]
 

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sorry i wasnt trying to some off as a d!ck, but anything past intake, header, and exhaust needs Flashpro, thats what tuners have said and they even said that the intake header exhaust needs it as A/F ratio is sometimes @ a dangerous level
 

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Dude your spending over 1k in parts that are gonna make your car run like crap, but you won't spend 600 on software to make your car run correctly?
Your first 2 posts make no sense.
First you say that you don't see the reasoning in buying a flashpro and now your saying you know that your car runs like crap because it doesn't hàve a tuning solution?
You answered your own question in your original post.

Quote: Is it possible to run the vehicle efficiently w/out the need of FP w/ my current setup to include RRC Oil Pump once I get cams?
 

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Dude your spending over 1k in parts that are gonna make your car run like crap, but you won't spend 600 on software to make your car run correctly?
Your first 2 posts make no sense.
First you say that you don't see the reasoning in buying a flashpro and now your saying you know that your car runs like crap because it doesn't hàve a tuning solution?
You answered your own question in your original post.
relax, I did not state that my car runs like [email protected] please, re-read my posts, measure my intent & not my words, broh
 

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np man i was flustered lol but yea man, with the hybrid racing intake you cant run without the flashpro. so if that says anything
I was thinking about doing that last year (when I had S2 IM & J37 TB) til buddy halted me about how much air my car would take in (in regards to A/F ratio) & that I'll loose pwr like 1 of his friends
 

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Re read. I jumped the gun. You did not state your car ram like crap. I'm sorry man.
I wasn't trying to be a jerk and I didn't mean to come off as one but reading your question in post 1. Which is this: Is it possible to run the vehicle efficiently w/out the need of FP w/ my current setup to include RRC Oil Pump once I get cams?

And then reading your 5th post which is this:
I get @ certain level of modifications I do need FP in order to tune (i.e., boost). The joy of tuning brings out the potential of mods, its fun & thrilling. I just need to find out if I do need it as if an individual boosted his/her car [& of course tuning is necessary in order to not f*** up the engine]

It seemed to me you answered your own question.
Once again sorry for jumping the gun and making myself seem like a douch.
It's just from my point of view you answered your own question.
 

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Re read. I jumped the gun. You did not state your car ram like crap. I'm sorry man.
I wasn't trying to be a jerk and I didn't mean to come off as one but reading your question in post 1. Which is this: Is it possible to run the vehicle efficiently w/out the need of FP w/ my current setup to include RRC Oil Pump once I get cams?

And then reading your 5th post which is this:
I get @ certain level of modifications I do need FP in order to tune (i.e., boost). The joy of tuning brings out the potential of mods, its fun & thrilling. I just need to find out if I do need it as if an individual boosted his/her car [& of course tuning is necessary in order to not f*** up the engine]

It seemed to me you answered your own question.
Once again sorry for jumping the gun and making myself seem like a douch.
It's just from my point of view you answered your own question.
The 5th post was a measurement of my common sense of when FP becomes a necessity. As for high compression rate, I really don't know @ which point of compression the vehicle needs to be tune, so given, that if I do pick up VTEC killer cams; guaranteed I do need FP.
 

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put the cams on your car without flashpro! 700$ is way too much for tuning software, I would rather pay 5000$ on a new engine ;)
 

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put the cams on your car without flashpro! 700$ is way too much for tuning software, I would rather pay 5000$ on a new engine ;)
$5K would be close to pick up a CTR K20a
Actually, it's enough to pick up an ITR K20a @ HMO
$700 would be, I see the positive side of FP (like $h!t man, so much can be done to the car), but it's just that production cost is too low to sell it sky high
 

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$5K would be close to pick up a CTR K20a

Actually, it's enough to pick up an ITR K20a @ HMO

$700 would be, I see the positive side of FP (like $h!t man, so much can be done to the car), but it's just that production cost is too low to sell it sky high

Look at the for sale section, flashpro isn't going for less than 500. Let's say you pay 550 for it, and end up selling it for 500. It cost you 50$ to safely tune your engine and this is assuming your tuning the car yourself. I hope you see where I'm going with this.



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Look at the for sale section, flashpro isn't going for less than 500. Let's say you pay 550 for it, and end up selling it for 500. It cost you 50$ to safely tune your engine and this is assuming your tuning the car yourself. I hope you see where I'm going with this.
I see your intent, I'll think about it

BTW, are the currents mod I listed killing the engine?
 

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Not at all, simple bolt-ons do no major harm untuned. Now running cams/FI/nitrous without engine management is asking for trouble.
 

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Today, I had some parts installed excluding the RRC Oil Pump. Buddy didn't install it because I need to have cams on hand 1st.
Months b4, I been looking @ DC 2.2, Kelfords 179a & RSX IN Cams (2005-06) TSX EX Cams (2006-08). There are numerous cams out there that I have not listed & I am willing to assess others' point of view on what cams are good for my current "performance mod"......

-Takeda CAI (TA-1004B)
-RRC TB (16400-RRC-003) w/ Thermal Gasket
-RRC IM (17100-RRC-000 )w/ Thermal Gasket
-S2 Alpha Series Header (412-05-1930)
-FullRace Exhaust (FR153-152)
-Buddy Club P1 Crank Pulley Kit (BC05-P1PK20Z3-A)

Main question is..... "I don't want FP" & buddy recommends Kelford 179b.
Is it possible to run the vehicle efficiently w/out the need of FP w/ my current setup to include RRC Oil Pump once I get cams?
No, no, no. You needed flashpro as soon as you did the header and exhaust, not to mention the CAI as your MAF sensor is completely confused right now.

The RRC TB and IM are making things worse.

You cannot, under anycircumstance, run an aftermarket "stage 2" cam without FP. On most aftermarket cams you'll damage the motor. On mild cams (ie K20Z1/ITR cams) you simply won't pick up power or you'll just lose power.

$5K would be close to pick up a CTR K20a
Actually, it's enough to pick up an ITR K20a @ HMO
$700 would be, I see the positive side of FP (like $h!t man, so much can be done to the car), but it's just that production cost is too low to sell it sky high
A bone stock Civic Si with Flashpro is going to put down the same, if not better numbers than a CTR K20A or ITR K20A.

You need flashpro. And have someone else tune it, not your buddy. I recommend Vit @ vittuned.com
 
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