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Is engine whine normal on the R18?

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#1 · (Edited)
I recently had some warranty work done on my 07 EX Coupe MT. Among the complaints I had when I brought it in was that since new the car has had a very audible high frequency whine sound, proportional to engine speed, coming from the accessory side of the engine. For a while I thought it was the alternator, and mentioned that when I took it in. I don't necessarily think it's a mechanical problem, but it's pretty annoying to me as I drive with the radio off and generally like listening to cars.

They came back saying my power steering pump was the source, and they ordered a replacement, which went in earlier this week. Part of the sound may or may not have gone away. I remember thinking it was much quieter when I got the car back but now either the noise has come back or I've abandoned my wishful thinking that it was gone.

The dealership says that while they compared my car to others and mine was louder, they all have something of a whine to them. To be clear, they are not refusing to look into this or further replace parts, but I don't really want to take it in for more work unless necessary.

At this point I'm wondering if it's the serp belt tensioner pulley. I'm going to look into it a little to see if I can isolate it but it's pretty cramped in there and I may not be able to figure it out. I can take it in again and have them diagnose it but first I wanted to ask other owners on here what their cars sound like since I haven't been in or around any other 8th gen Civics.

So, the question: with your radio off, and the car idling, or held to say, 2k RPM, what sounds can you hear? There's the injector tick and the general medium frequency noise caused by the valve train, the exhaust, the combustion in general, but can you also hear a higher pitched whine? On my car it's at least as loud as the other noise at 2k RPM, but a bit more biting because of its frequency.

EDIT: To be clear, the whine can easily be heard going up through the gears until about 25-30 mph with the radio off. After 30 mph or so it's drowned out by road noise. After 3500-4000 RPM it's drowned out by intake roar and other engine sound.
 
#2 ·
I had a similar issue in my si, i had the alternator changed and it was still there, then i thought it might be the belt, changed that and still had the problem, finally the mechanics at the dealership were able to figure out it was the clutch compressor as a result of a fried clutch, so if yours is m/t then that very well may be the problem.
 
#3 ·
Interesting. Mine is an MT, but I'm pretty sure it's not the clutch as the sound is definitely coming from the passenger side of the engine.

I'm mostly interested in how common this is, since the service adviser said something to the effect that they all have some amount of whine to them. I can try to record the sound in a video at some point if necessary but it essentially sounds like the normal whine sound most transmissions make in reverse.
 
#4 ·
yeah mine was the left side too, im not sure about the r18, but on the k20 one belt is used for the starter, alternator, compressor ext. so it could be anything on that belt line. honestly i had no idea it had anything to do with the clutch , it just didn't seem possible, but they replaced the compressor and something else, and it was like a had a brand new clutch, felt good:laughing:. have you ever fried your clutch or think you might have?
 
#7 ·
ZakAttack: Are you talking about the A/C compressor clutch? There's a clutch in the compressor that disengages when the A/C is off, when accelerating quickly, etc that sounds like it could have been your problem. Has nothing to do with the transmission clutch, though. I don't think that's my problem; my whine is coming from further rearward than the alternator or A/C compressor.

blue and duke: I know the high pitched intake sound you're referring to, on acceleration, and as you (duke) described it, I'd describe it as more a whistle than a whine. That's not the noise I'm talking about. Mine sounds more like transmission whine but as stated, it's not from the transmission.

Sounds like this isn't normal. I'll see if I can talk to the dealer again about it.
 
#10 ·
Thanks, tundra. I have read that thread before and for a long time I was assuming mine was the alternator too. I was taking it to the dealer for some suspension noises and figured I'd mention the whine just to see what they'd say, specifically saying I thought it was the alternator. I was surprised and hopeful when they came back saying it was the PS pump and they'd ordered a new one. But, the sound is still there so I don't think it was the PS pump, and wish it hadn't been replaced (no point in tearing into the car and getting PS fluid all over the subframe to replace a good part). I'm glad they're trying to help though.

Listening more closely myself I don't think mine is the alternator anymore .. it seems like it's further rearward than the alt and A/C pulleys. Thus my thinking it's the tensioner pulley. I suppose it could be the water pump but I kind if doubt that.

I'm kind of sick of thinking about this but I'd love to get rid of the sound. I may call the dealer tomorrow and see if I can come by and have them let me listen to another car or two to see what it sounds like. And if I'm lucky, get a tech to listen to it again and see if they think the tensioner is worth pursuing.

Problem is I like the car but this is really annoying me. I like to drive with the radio off and listen to the car (in any car I drive), but this sound just really gets to me when I'm not at highway speeds.
 
#12 ·
take off the belt, it's really easy, get a 17mm box wrench and slowly turn the tensioner toward the rear and pull the belt off the pulley closest to your free hand. then check the pulley on the tensioner for play, if the bearing is loose you will be able to wobble the pulley and chances are you have your whine. mine is doing the same thing and that is what is wrong i just live with it till it goes cause i have no time to take my car to honda and hope that this is still under warranty
 
#13 ·
Yeah, I should just take the belt off and check all the pulleys. The dealer said they were pretty sure it wasn't a bad bearing because they checked all the pulleys when they had it apart, but it can't hurt to check again.

Any special tips for loosening the tensioner? On our older Volvo (with a spring, not hydraulic, tensioner) I was able to loosen it with a normal ~8" ratchet. I've tried before on the Civic with a ~10" box end wrench and couldn't get it to budge, but the positioning wasn't that great. Maybe I just need a longer wrench or one that lets me get in a better position?

Also, IIRC it's a 19mm, not a 17mm on the tensioner.