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Hondata announces the FlashPro

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Hondata is pleased to announce a new tuning product - the FlashPro. Initially this will available for the Civic Si and Civic Type R.

The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.

Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.

The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.

For more information see FlashPro

We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.

Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.

Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.

- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.

- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.

- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.

- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.

- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.

- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.

- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?

- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.

- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.

- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.

- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.

- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.

- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.

- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.

-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.

- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.

- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.

- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.

- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.

- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.

- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.

- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.

- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
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I think the 550cc issue is more of a problem with the SC than with the turbos.
The 550s don't have a very good spray pattern, but will still work on anything other than the JR & CT superchargers. The problem we found several years back is that the supercharger manifolds have almost non-existent runners with a flat wall just behind the port. During overlap the fuel would get blown back out of the cylinder head and hit the manifold back wall, then cross contaminate the other cylinders and make the fuelling very difficult.
In any case, with a returnless fuel system you need fairly big injectors, and 550s would not be enough for even 10 lbs of boost.
A general rule of thumb is to pull 1 degree per 10 HP of nitrous for Honda engines. Tuning highly recommended. Do not retard your timing based on what the domestic engines use. Tuned properly, I was able to sustain a 140 shot (ie for two minutes at a time) for my landspeed racing RSX.
No. Just don't hit the rev limiter while spraying.
Order doesn't matter. We would suggest you remove the E-Manage first.
???????please hondata....could you assist?
What, exactly, is your situation and question?
Can you describe your problem, and the situation which is causing it?
i blew my tranny and wanted to put in a five speed. i have a 5 speed with the rear final gear speed sensor, but i installed the si outer case to keep the oem VSS but the speed is off now.
Which 5 speed did you install? List all the ratios.

It is a lot more complex to do than you might think. The ECU needs to know which gear it is in to apply fuel, ignition and many other trims. You are now missing one of those gears, and the remaining gear ratios will be incorrect.

We are not likely to make substantial changes to the ECU code just for one (or two) special cases - it does not make any sense for us to do so.
The correct speed signal is important for gear determination.
Please folks, it is very frustrating on this end when people cannot verbalize the problem they are getting and the supporting information. In this case telling me that you have swapped the 6 speed transmission for a 5 speed, and consequently your speedo is not reading correctly, would have saved a lot of time. Further to this, giving us an idea of who far under or over the speedo reads would help.

so we need to know who has install a 5 speed, going to install a 5 speed...has installed the CTR final drive or swapped out any gears in the tranny?
The 5.062 final is a different situation - it currently will work with the race calibratrions without any changes, but the speedo will be 6% over. You won't see any performance difference as far as the ECU is concerned.
I just filled up my gas tank. I had on bar left and I filled up with 10.7 gallons. Is that normal?
The tank is 13.2 gallons. The light comes on at 2 bars, with 1.9 gallons to the gauge shows empty. When the gauge shows empty, there is a 'reserve' of fuel left - about 1 gallon is our guess. So when the light comes on in theory you have just under 3 gallons in the tank, or just over 10 gallons to fill. So, 1 bar should be somewhere around 11 gallons to fill up.
In practice you can fit a variable amount of fuel in the tank - depending on the pump, angle of the vehicle and how much you top it up. The tank volume is much more than 13.2 gallons - the filling is controlled by when the fuel level rises to the tank breather, which then causes the fuel to rise up the filler neck and shut the pump off. Thus there is always an air gap in the tank.
Another factor is the fuel level signal to the dash swings wildly with the movement of the car - something like +- 20% would be normal. The gauge averages the fuel level over several minutes, and the gauge can only change by about 1 bar every 90 seconds. The upshot is that the gauge is not super accurate unless the car is on a dead level surface for several minutes.
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To end the speculation: When you reflash back to stock, it is a stock Honda flash.
This has been covered before (somewhere in the 2000 odd previous posts). While the ECUs are similar, the vehicles themselves are different between the US and South America. To develop a product which functions correctly we would need the vehicle sent to us, not the ECU.
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FlashPro Civic Si

(Hint - You need Parallels, Boot camp or VMWare)
You could. You might find someone with a set of Windows XP install disks for a lower price though.
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