i just installed parallels and windows xp onto my mac to get ready for flashpro:dance:Where's the mac love, hondata?inksadface:
Hondata announces the FlashPro
Hondata is pleased to announce a new tuning product - the FlashPro. Initially this will available for the Civic Si and Civic Type R.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
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That doesn't really say the N/A reflash will be a base calibration. It could just be a base calibration for say i/h/e that is different from the N/A reflash. It would probably be better to hear it from the horses mouth (hondata) just to clarify things.From the 1st post...
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
doug already said somewhere else that the n/a reflash will be one of the maps that come with flashpro.
1st post...come on Vic! :wavey:I don't know if this was answered already but does the FlashPro come with preloaded maps like the CT stage1, CT stage 2, JRSC, N/A Reflash?...
That doesn't really say the N/A reflash will be a base calibration. It could just be a base calibration for say i/h/e that is different from the N/A reflash. It would probably be better to hear it from the horses mouth (hondata) just to clarify things.
I remember Doug saying that somewhere too. Most likely similar to the reflash. You'd still want to do some basic tuning though (AFR seems easy enough to do yourself) to maximize the gains for your specific parts.doug already said somewhere else that the n/a reflash will be one of the maps that come with flashpro.
they said it may not have as many features (like nitrous and boost by gear) tuning wise you should be able to adjust everything needed to make poweri cant wait for this to come out, it was stated that we may not be able to tune as many things as we would like, has anything been said about that at this point in time??
I bet they sell out extremely fast and they get back ordered for a few months after launch. I just hope they give us time to pre-order when they give us an actual release date. And I hope they send enough units to the east coast. There isn't 1 Hondata dealer in MA. Only in NH.only about 15% of the people who said they will be buying this actually will. I wouldnt worry about it.. Its not going to be like the Nintendo Wii.
I have already seen one site that is taking pre-orders, with a release date of june 9th (i thought i saw someone post that link in this thread already, but might have been in the NC chat thread)I bet they sell out extremely fast and they get back ordered for a few months after launch. I just hope they give us time to pre-order when they give us an actual release date. And I hope they send enough units to the east coast. There isn't 1 Hondata dealer in MA. Only in NH.
Hondata- Would you recommend crushing the FPR with the FlashPro and a turbo system if I have a Walbro 255 pump? Or do the larger injectors and the ability to disable the AFM negate the need for crushing the FPR? I ask because I crushed my stock one with my GReddy kit and my tuner calculated close to 90psi fuel pressure with the Walbro pump. But I think that was a little off. He also could not get the idle to stabilize because the injector pulse width was sooo small at idle due to the fuel pressure increase that the injectors wouldn't fire sometimes. I did use the FPR tool that came with the SC kit. My FPR is now actually in my friends car now and his stock one is in my car. lol..
I'm kinda surprised that you haven't switched to a returnable line with a rising rate regulator yet...not trying to be a douche, for the record.Hondata- Would you recommend crushing the FPR with the FlashPro and a turbo system if I have a Walbro 255 pump? Or do the larger injectors and the ability to disable the AFM negate the need for crushing the FPR? I ask because I crushed my stock one with my GReddy kit and my tuner calculated close to 90psi fuel pressure with the Walbro pump. But I think that was a little off. He also could not get the idle to stabilize because the injector pulse width was sooo small at idle due to the fuel pressure increase that the injectors wouldn't fire sometimes. I did use the FPR tool that came with the SC kit. My FPR is now actually in my friends car now and his stock one is in my car. lol..
Rising rate regulators are a nightmare. Not needed when you can control injector pulse width. They are a barbaric way to supply fuel to a motor when you have no control over the injectors. You want to try and keep a constant fuel pressure as much as you can and use injector size and pulse to deliver fuel. It is more consistent and accurate. I was just seeing if using that trick would help any when I get the FlashPro up and running. I just pre-ordered one from k20tuned. you get a $45.00 discount when pre-ordering. I just hope it is legit.I'm kinda surprised that you haven't switched to a returnable line with a rising rate regulator yet...not trying to be a douche, for the record.
I suggest you read our FlashPro release page under 'Price and availability'.
For low hp (300 & less) I would recommend keeping the stock FPR. For high hp (350+) you need a return fuel system. If you are in the middle ground then increasing the fuel pressure may be a option - the issues are achieving a consistent & reliable pressure. I think your tuning issues were how the car was tuned - could you change the injector dead time for instance?
For low hp (300 & less) I would recommend keeping the stock FPR. For high hp (350+) you need a return fuel system. If you are in the middle ground then increasing the fuel pressure may be a option - the issues are achieving a consistent & reliable pressure. I think your tuning issues were how the car was tuned - could you change the injector dead time for instance?
As in dead time do you mean lag time? Supposedly, it was all tried. I recently went back to the stock FPR and the idle is perfect now. I'm running 440cc injectors but I have the 520cc CT injectors for when I get the FlashPro. I plan on being in that middle ground you're talking about. So crushing would be a good idea then. Thanks Doug. I appreciate all your responses to my questions.I suggest you read our FlashPro release page under 'Price and availability'.
For low hp (300 & less) I would recommend keeping the stock FPR. For high hp (350+) you need a return fuel system. If you are in the middle ground then increasing the fuel pressure may be a option - the issues are achieving a consistent & reliable pressure. I think your tuning issues were how the car was tuned - could you change the injector dead time for instance?
newb to tuning here.. if i lower the vtec to say 4400rpm i still gotta have the cam, af, ect tuned? cuz tuning are like 300-500 and no street tune...
fyi you cant just change your vtec point randomly and think you are going to make more power.newb to tuning here.. if i lower the vtec to say 4400rpm i still gotta have the cam, af, ect tuned? cuz tuning are like 300-500 and no street tune...
to answer your question yes you can move the vtec point down to 4400rpm if you like and you don't have to tune for it BUT...newb to tuning here.. if i lower the vtec to say 4400rpm i still gotta have the cam, af, ect tuned? cuz tuning are like 300-500 and no street tune...
...like whipsnap said you shouldn't just assume or expect to make more power by just lowering your vtec changeoverfyi you cant just change your vtec point randomly and think you are going to make more power.
Is there anywhere that sells return fuel line kits, or are they something you have to fab yourself?
What type of hardware does the FlashPro physically consist of?
Does it have nonvolatile memory and/or does it have Electronically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory?
My question is, from the standpoint of a college enrolled computer programmer, if we will be able to add or remove any features to the FlashPro unit itself with some flashing tools, ie; memory address value editors that find a hex address based on the input parameters you set and prints these addresses with their corresponding values with the option to edit it?
Or does this violate the Terms of Agreement when I purchase a Hondata FlashPro unit?
Does it have nonvolatile memory and/or does it have Electronically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory?
My question is, from the standpoint of a college enrolled computer programmer, if we will be able to add or remove any features to the FlashPro unit itself with some flashing tools, ie; memory address value editors that find a hex address based on the input parameters you set and prints these addresses with their corresponding values with the option to edit it?
Or does this violate the Terms of Agreement when I purchase a Hondata FlashPro unit?
I'm pretty sure it would violate something like that. Interesting thought, I didn't think about this but I did think about writing my own program to interact with the Flashpro and the similar implications it could have.What type of hardware does the FlashPro physically consist of?
Does it have nonvolatile memory and/or does it have Electronically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory?
My question is, from the standpoint of a college enrolled computer programmer, if we will be able to add or remove any features to the FlashPro unit itself with some flashing tools, ie; memory address value editors that find a hex address based on the input parameters you set and prints these addresses with their corresponding values with the option to edit it?
Or does this violate the Terms of Agreement when I purchase a Hondata FlashPro unit?
FlashPro Manager looks like it has all the functionality necessary but the interface is a bit "Win95" looking for me. However, I understand their priority is getting it working rather than something pretty without use, so I can't blame them for keeping it simple and whatnot.
I feel that both of our ideas would be something Hondata wouldn't like and there are probably other issues with that, such as them not being responsible if you "mess up the code" and whatnot of your Flashpro.
Kind of the same stuff that Apple would say with the iPhone and jailbreaking it and/or coding "non-authorized" apps for it, except apply that to 20-grand car.
Hondata make something like this for the R18 engine, am sure it will be simple since it should be very similar to the flashpro.. but call it FlashR.. :hitit:
in all honestly i'd say 75% or more of SI owners mod there car. and on the contrast i'd wager less then 25% of r18 owners mod it. the market is so low for r18's because there aren't very many people like you who are trying. not to say they aren't out there but the % is low ya know.
so in hondatas defense its not exactly cost effective. however if the flashpro can easily be modded or tweaked by them to control the r18 then by all means thats good for you guys.
so in hondatas defense its not exactly cost effective. however if the flashpro can easily be modded or tweaked by them to control the r18 then by all means thats good for you guys.
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