no. because you can have it fully tuneed on the dyno it doesnt come with a preloaded map that wont work right without an intake.. its whatever you make of it with your dyno tunner. so i would advise you to finish your set up before tunning. otherwise your prob gonna wanna tune again.
Hondata announces the FlashPro
Hondata is pleased to announce a new tuning product - the FlashPro. Initially this will available for the Civic Si and Civic Type R.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
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no. because you can have it fully tuneed on the dyno it doesnt come with a preloaded map that wont work right without an intake.. its whatever you make of it with your dyno tunner. so i would advise you to finish your set up before tunning. otherwise your prob gonna wanna tune again.
My dreams have come true, I can finally throw away my emanage POS.
damn how do i preorder this
whats cool is that my accessPORT is better.
ROFL lolololol
so yea, im glad that there are two companies competing for us now. that only means that the end result will be better for the community!
ROFL lolololol
so yea, im glad that there are two companies competing for us now. that only means that the end result will be better for the community!
whats not cool is u cant tune it...u have to settle with a basemap that generalizes for each mod and cant fully tune the mod u havewhats cool is that my accessPORT is better.
ROFL lolololol
Tons of questions
What does this mean for people with bolt ons?
For example:
Say a person has just i/h/e or just an intake or whatever....
What can you do with this?
What could expected gains be?
How dangerous is it for your car?
I'm guessing it kills a warranty pretty much dead?
Do you need a tuner to work on it, or can you tune yourself?
I've never (obviously) used something like this.
What does this mean for people with bolt ons?
For example:
Say a person has just i/h/e or just an intake or whatever....
What can you do with this?
What could expected gains be?
How dangerous is it for your car?
I'm guessing it kills a warranty pretty much dead?
Do you need a tuner to work on it, or can you tune yourself?
I've never (obviously) used something like this.
it's better for your car, you can tune atleast AFR with bolt ons and gain hp! you can probably do street tune, but please leave it to the pro's with a dyno!Tons of questions
What does this mean for people with bolt ons?
For example:
Say a person has just i/h/e or just an intake or whatever....
What can you do with this?
What could expected gains be?
How dangerous is it for your car?
I'm guessing it kills a warranty pretty much dead?
Do you need a tuner to work on it, or can you tune yourself?
I've never (obviously) used something like this.
hmmm i just thought of this. close by me is a shop that has a HUGE known honda tuner. what if i contacted them and got them to purchase this for their shop and just go to them to get a tune. hmmmm i dont see anything wrong with that.
Why can't you tune the AccessPort?whats not cool is u cant tune it...u have to settle with a basemap that generalizes for each mod and cant fully tune the mod u have
i think they are making it lock to each car. just like the ones for mustangs..
i know on mustangs you can tune any car with any tunner HOWEVER. once you load the tune it will not tune any other car until you erase the origional car back to stock.
this would prevent one machine from tunning every car on the planet.
if i were hondata i would either lock it like that. or only sell it to tunners. so they would be the ones taking in money and paying hondata a cut.
i know on mustangs you can tune any car with any tunner HOWEVER. once you load the tune it will not tune any other car until you erase the origional car back to stock.
this would prevent one machine from tunning every car on the planet.
if i were hondata i would either lock it like that. or only sell it to tunners. so they would be the ones taking in money and paying hondata a cut.
Where are all those who got the Whodata stickers?
I'm sure now they have a puzzled look on their face and will end up giving the money to Hondata for this.
oh lawd
I'm sure now they have a puzzled look on their face and will end up giving the money to Hondata for this.
oh lawd
cause its only a reflashed based system with only a little bit more features but u cant tune itWhy can't you tune the AccessPort?
That isn't true at all. People do tune AccessPorts. Two shops here in the Chicago area tune them. I know people that had them dyno-tuned.cause its only a reflashed based system with only a little bit more features but u cant tune it
Great job Hondata :thumb:
The 06+ Civic crowd is about to access a whole new level of power :vtec:
The 06+ Civic crowd is about to access a whole new level of power :vtec:
is this single car specific or can it be used on multiple cars
Seriously, how many times does the warranty issue have to be addressed?I'm guessing it kills a warranty pretty much dead?
If something malfunctions as a result of an aftermarket part, then Honda will not warranty the replacement part nor the labor to install the part. You would have to pay for it. It does not get any simpler than that.
We've been skull ****** for so long in the mediocre mid to high 200whp area, it's going to be really really insane to some people by the gains they're going to see with such simple **** as a valvetrain oil pump and cams. this'll be ordered at weeks end: >>>*I N T R I N S I C * P E R F O R M A N C E * S O L U T I O N S, * I N C.*<<<
and some 650's + the 3.15 pully. 350whp? Sounds good enough to me.
edit: now whats going to be kraftwerks / full-races excuse for releasing applications for our car?? I'm so ******* excited to see what everyone has instore for this car. This is a literal rebirth of this platform. And the price is at least a thousand dollars cheaper than most expected.
Quick question for doug or whoever's camping the thread currently, will the learning curve of going from kPro to this be dramatic?
and some 650's + the 3.15 pully. 350whp? Sounds good enough to me.
edit: now whats going to be kraftwerks / full-races excuse for releasing applications for our car?? I'm so ******* excited to see what everyone has instore for this car. This is a literal rebirth of this platform. And the price is at least a thousand dollars cheaper than most expected.
Quick question for doug or whoever's camping the thread currently, will the learning curve of going from kPro to this be dramatic?
From Hondatais this single car specific or can it be used on multiple cars
The FlashPro has the potential to work with most new model Hondas and Acuras made since 2007. Our focus for the moment is for the Civic and will evaluate other models as time permits
Perfect timing...rigth when I get my cams installed! Great job Hondata :thumb:
Guess I'll be taking a trip down to Shawn Church next month
opcorn:
Guess I'll be taking a trip down to Shawn Church next month
opcorn:
From Hondata
The FlashPro has the potential to work with most new model Hondas and Acuras made since 2007. Our focus for the moment is for the Civic and will evaluate other models as time permits
no can it be used on multiple civics like i bought this....and reflashed mine....coupld i also reflash my buddys car
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