no **** theyve been working on it along time . . . how long have they been selling reflashes? two and half years? so this thing has been OPERATIONAL for 2 and a half years yet they wouldnt give us a single IOTA of reassurance that it was close untill someone else (cobb) came and pissed in their sandbox . . . no thanks ill pass
Hondata announces the FlashPro
Hondata is pleased to announce a new tuning product - the FlashPro. Initially this will available for the Civic Si and Civic Type R.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
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sounds good but i'll stay with cobb..they sound more promising...plus accesport has done wonders with sti's, ms3's, evo's...but looks like a shootout to me...could get interesting..
Why would you guys whine and bother bringing Cobb into this thread.
Keep that **** out.
Hondata is strictly for our cars, while Cobb works with a community full of different ones. I would rather stick to a company that only works with Honda motors then a Company that might mix up a Honda motor to a Mitsubishi motor cause their noise is so stuck into other cars too.
Keep that **** out.
Hondata is strictly for our cars, while Cobb works with a community full of different ones. I would rather stick to a company that only works with Honda motors then a Company that might mix up a Honda motor to a Mitsubishi motor cause their noise is so stuck into other cars too.
:rotfl:Why would you guys whine and bother bringing Cobb into this thread.
Keep that **** out.
Hondata is strictly for our cars, while Cobb works with a community full of different ones. I would rather stick to a company that only works with Honda motors then a Company that might mix up a Honda motor to a Mitsubishi motor cause their noise is so stuck into other cars too.
How are you going to " mix up " a motor? lmao. COBB isnt a fly by night operation....
easy there man...im not sh*ting on hondata...just giving an opinion...Why would you guys whine and bother bringing Cobb into this thread.
Keep that **** out.
Hondata is strictly for our cars, while Cobb works with a community full of different ones. I would rather stick to a company that only works with Honda motors then a Company that might mix up a Honda motor to a Mitsubishi motor cause their noise is so stuck into other cars too.
ugg I could only read 10 pages of this thread before the Cobb vs Hondata crap got to be too much. so if these questions were answered please forgive me.
also along with my first question, will this have a backup feature to let you copy your current ecu configuration incase you need to revert back to it? say like if you are NA and want to go SCed then you could back up your NA config and if down the line you decide to take the SC off you just use the flashpro to go back to the NA config instead of sending it in
technically a user-definable reflashing system...but yeah, it pretty much looks to give you full control of the ECM...
Hondata, you mention features from k-pro which won't be available through the reflasher...which features would those be?
:rotfl:
How are you going to " mix up " a motor? lmao. COBB isnt a fly by night operation....
You never know man, when people stress they see numbers, and letters wrong.
Lmfao. I wish there wasnt any bashing at all really. I really hope everyone keeps an open mind about both systems for us. They are both giving us a tuning option. The community is pissed at hondata for waiting till cobb comes out, but blinded in the same sense that hondata " must " be better becasue its hondata. I wish everyone would just wait and see what system does what and works better for them once there both released. Until then there really shouldnt be any discussions about it.
I wish everyone would just wait and see what system does what and works better for them once there both released. Until then there really shouldnt be any discussions about it.
Whats this I see here bro?!?!?!?! I think im gonna need to escort you out of this thread. :rotfl:
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lmao, i can say COBB FTMFW because im testing the AP for them right now :thumb:Whats this I see here bro?!?!?!?! I think im gonna need to escort you out of this thread. :rotfl:
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That is one of the stupidest comments i have ever seen on this site. Wow.Why would you guys whine and bother bringing Cobb into this thread.
Keep that **** out.
Hondata is strictly for our cars, while Cobb works with a community full of different ones. I would rather stick to a company that only works with Honda motors then a Company that might mix up a Honda motor to a Mitsubishi motor cause their noise is so stuck into other cars too.
I have nothing agaisnt hondata and if i wasn't in this beta test i would be all for hondata. Be patient, we finally get something great here from two great companys and now everyone is in a bickering match over whose better. Personally i have never seen the customer service level that cobb is on with any other company and any other beta tester can agree to that i'm sure.
Everyone is posting bullshit about hondata being "shady" about how they magically released flashpro after cobb released AP (POSSIBLY to nab some extra reflashes before it became extinct).
They are running a BUSINESS in a RECESSION. They need $$$. Why not get as many reflashes as possible?
Do all of you people making claims against hondata's actions think it's smart for a business not to maximize their profit? Less money is a less useful company. I'm sure that's what all you complainers want, a less useful hondata.wnedrun:
Hondata did not have a contract to the car enthusiasts whom were waiting the release of their product. Where do people get the entitlement to say that a company attempting to maximize their own profit is ridiculous? Face it, you're dealing with a business, not an old time friend. Now let the successful business do their stuff and if you don't like how they do it don't support it and hope they run out of business. I'm sure a hondata out of business would resolve your bitching about the annoying properties of the release of Flashpro :thumb:.
They are running a BUSINESS in a RECESSION. They need $$$. Why not get as many reflashes as possible?
Do all of you people making claims against hondata's actions think it's smart for a business not to maximize their profit? Less money is a less useful company. I'm sure that's what all you complainers want, a less useful hondata.
wnedrun:Hondata did not have a contract to the car enthusiasts whom were waiting the release of their product. Where do people get the entitlement to say that a company attempting to maximize their own profit is ridiculous? Face it, you're dealing with a business, not an old time friend. Now let the successful business do their stuff and if you don't like how they do it don't support it and hope they run out of business. I'm sure a hondata out of business would resolve your bitching about the annoying properties of the release of Flashpro :thumb:.
will the flashpro be able to work with the emanage ultimate?
Why would you want to run a piggy back ontop of this.... Your car will run so much smoother on a reflash tune than it ever will on emanage.will the flashpro be able to work with the emanage ultimate?
I have another question for Hondata. Will we be able to install your 3 bar MAP sensor with this system? I only ask because the stock one supposedly can not read higher than 11psi. Is this also true? I plan on building my block soon and would like to run about 14psi and the stock MAP will probably be out of range. Thanks in advance.
Will Hondata be looking for beta testers like COBB did? Go ahead and put my name on that list. :thumb:
yea, great question.... in for the results... I hate our MAF's...I have another question for Hondata. Will we be able to install your 3 bar MAP sensor with this system? I only ask because the stock one supposedly can not read higher than 11psi. Is this also true? I plan on building my block soon and would like to run about 14psi and the stock MAP will probably be out of range. Thanks in advance.
I was thinking I would need both honestly... I didn't realize that the FLASHPRO would completely eliminate the need for a piggy back unit. :bricks:Why would you want to run a piggy back ontop of this.... Your car will run so much smoother on a reflash tune than it ever will on emanage.
they own multiple SI's.. highly doubt it.Will Hondata be looking for beta testers like COBB did? Go ahead and put my name on that list. :thumb:
This is what I sent to my tuner FORGED PERFORMANCE in Atlanta about this FLASHPRO and the Hondata Link...
Hello again!! I just have a couple of questions for you all. There is a
new product that is due to be released for my car called the "FlashPro"
from a company called Hondata. The link is here for the product
FlashPro It seems that this is finally what
I've been waiting for. It is a sure fire way to tune my ECU properly to
have the best possible power out of my Greddy Turbo System.
First, would you be willing/able to research, install, and tune this
product with/for me? I say "with" for the research part, only because I
know you all are the pros at the install and tuning part not me. I am
doing everything that I can to research this avenue, and from what I can
tell so far, it is the only thing that I have for a reliable ECU tuning
option.
in from my tuner.. Hondata, please address this concern...
Yes, that flashpro look incredible!!!! I would just want to make sure,
that the tuner isn't required to have a license or approval to tune the
Hondata. I am pretty sure not...since I have tuned other Hondata
systems before. I like it!
Keep me posted as the release comes..I am sure we can work you in
June/July timeframe. Hope you are doing well!!
Sharif
General Manager / Certified Tuner
Forged Performance, LLC.
498 Cobb Parkway South
Marietta, GA 30060
Phone - 770.792.0202
So, will the tuner be required to have a license to custom tune my ECU??? Hondata, please respond for all of us so that we may take this answer to our tuners. ..
Hello again!! I just have a couple of questions for you all. There is a
new product that is due to be released for my car called the "FlashPro"
from a company called Hondata. The link is here for the product
FlashPro It seems that this is finally what
I've been waiting for. It is a sure fire way to tune my ECU properly to
have the best possible power out of my Greddy Turbo System.
First, would you be willing/able to research, install, and tune this
product with/for me? I say "with" for the research part, only because I
know you all are the pros at the install and tuning part not me. I am
doing everything that I can to research this avenue, and from what I can
tell so far, it is the only thing that I have for a reliable ECU tuning
option.
in from my tuner.. Hondata, please address this concern...
Yes, that flashpro look incredible!!!! I would just want to make sure,
that the tuner isn't required to have a license or approval to tune the
Hondata. I am pretty sure not...since I have tuned other Hondata
systems before. I like it!
Keep me posted as the release comes..I am sure we can work you in
June/July timeframe. Hope you are doing well!!
Sharif
General Manager / Certified Tuner
Forged Performance, LLC.
498 Cobb Parkway South
Marietta, GA 30060
Phone - 770.792.0202
So, will the tuner be required to have a license to custom tune my ECU??? Hondata, please respond for all of us so that we may take this answer to our tuners. ..
I'm pretty sure not, because if they did, then Hondata would probably only sell the product to the tuners and require them to pay a licensing fee as part of the purchase. Since they are selling it to consumers, anyone is free to tune with it. You could even tune your car yourself, although it is not recommended if you don't know exactly what you are doing.So, will the tuner be required to have a license to custom tune my ECU??? Hondata, please respond for all of us so that we may take this answer to our tuners. ..
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