All I got to say is WELL DONE HONDATA! Can't wait for dyno results! Me pesonally all bolt ons i/h/e and ips cams. I'm at 208whp and 151whtq with i/h/e with stock tune. Hondata you think 230whp-240whp with IPS cams would be in reason. Throw in TSX throttle body or stock bored out throttle body with TBS and gaskets.
Hondata announces the FlashPro
Hondata is pleased to announce a new tuning product - the FlashPro. Initially this will available for the Civic Si and Civic Type R.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
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The stock ECU operates VTEC at a fixed rpm point. For our reflashes (and FlashPro) we change VTEC to use a 'VTEC window', which means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gifit has been answered, yes.
Is there going to be a base calibration for intake, header, and exhaust? Will this calibration make more power than the current reflash? Thanks.
are you SERIOUS?! sigh..Is there going to be a base calibration for intake, header, and exhaust? Will this calibration make more power than the current reflash? Thanks.
I'm just wondering if there is going to be a more aggressive map for people that have IHE. The reflash seems like it is designed for people that have anywhere from just an intake to IHE and may not be as aggressive. RSX Type S's make 220whp with IHE and K-Pro, the Si does not with the reflash. That's why I'm asking.are you SERIOUS?! sigh..
it will be tuned specifically for your car...
the gains will be different for every car.
well thats the idea i got from reading
the gains will be different for every car.
well thats the idea i got from reading
I'm asking if there is going to be a base calibration that is more aggressive than the reflash for owners that have IHE before you get it tuned.
Stein, the reflash gives no power gains in the first place.
I/H/E base calibrations will be included.
I/H/E base calibrations will be included.
Thank you for an actual informative answer.Stein, the reflash gives no power gains in the first place.
Secondly, they're not likely to release a base map for an I/H/E setup because the tune would differ between cars...even those with identical mods.
Mostly answered in the first post.Does the FlashPro allows to take control over DBW?
Can we improve the throttle response and remove the factory delay that these cars have?
The DBW is actually pretty responsive. The 'rev hang' delay is not the DBW - it is a combination of the cam behaviour and emissions.
It's very funny to read all the replies asking "what gains can I expect," Like this thing magically provides a bump in power. It's a tool that allws the end user to adjust the parameters of the programming.
You can't wait for dyno results? Do you understand how tuning works, right?Can't wait for dyno results!
Hi Hondata
Thank for new product
Do you have some numbers About the new Flash PRo
N/A : Intake/raceheader/Exaust70mm, UR crank pulley ,p2rspacer ?
Do you have Basemap like this one with the new flashpro?
Thank for your time and good work
(Sorry for my english)
Thank for new product
Do you have some numbers About the new Flash PRo
N/A : Intake/raceheader/Exaust70mm, UR crank pulley ,p2rspacer ?
Do you have Basemap like this one with the new flashpro?
Thank for your time and good work
(Sorry for my english)
I have a question concerning the removal of the MAF sensor with a turbo car. You say it can be removed but the IAT sensor is located in the MAF sensor. Does the feature only disable the MAF sensors control of the fuel only and allow you to keep the IAT sensor operational? Just something I was thinking about all day today along with the fact that I will finally get the full potential out of my Turbo. Thank you Hondata. I am also concerned about possible supply issues when this finally is ready for release. Lol...Thanks in advance for your response.Mostly answered in the first post.
The DBW is actually pretty responsive. The 'rev hang' delay is not the DBW - it is a combination of the cam behaviour and emissions.
Wow, didn't know that! Thanks for the info.Mostly answered in the first post.
The DBW is actually pretty responsive. The 'rev hang' delay is not the DBW - it is a combination of the cam behaviour and emissions.
So how will tuning work? Sorry if it's been covered in the last 32 or so pages...- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
I wish (and i know will will get bashed for this) that they would at least give you the settings for the "normal" flash hondata offers with the the unit so that those of us who don't have the time for our caqrs to be down the few days it takes for them to flash it for us can just order one and flash our cars with something to get them working better with the I/H/E (or just I/E) untill we can get it to a place to get it properly tuned. I'm aall for getting it tuned for my car, but for those of us who have to save up and might want to add a few more things to the car before we fully tune them it would be great to have something "pre made" like the reflash setting to work with in the mean time (i mean how hard would it be for them just to give us a sheet with the perameters for "typical" diff set ups that we can work from till then.....
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
Taken from Post 1. Please read guys.
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
Taken from Post 1. Please read guys.
lol... didn't realize they had edit the first post to answer our ?.... very cool!!!!!- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
Taken from Post 1. Please read guys.
I would love if he can explain further this. I really didn't understand what he meant.So how will tuning work? Sorry if it's been covered in the last 32 or so pages...Hondata said:- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
Another question:
Does this device allow us to customize the shift light of our cars?
I mean if we move a bit more higher the rev limiter can we also adjust the trigger of the shift light?
- Does this device allow us to customize the shift light of our cars?
I believe the shift light is controlled by the cluster.
- I have a question concerning the removal of the MAF sensor with a turbo car. You say it can be removed but the IAT sensor is located in the MAF sensor. Does the feature only disable the MAF sensors control of the fuel only and allow you to keep the IAT sensor operational?
Correct, MAF is not used but IAT part of the MAF sensor is still needed.
I believe the shift light is controlled by the cluster.
- I have a question concerning the removal of the MAF sensor with a turbo car. You say it can be removed but the IAT sensor is located in the MAF sensor. Does the feature only disable the MAF sensors control of the fuel only and allow you to keep the IAT sensor operational?
Correct, MAF is not used but IAT part of the MAF sensor is still needed.
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