as long as you have a tune for those modes yes it will
Hondata announces the FlashPro
Hondata is pleased to announce a new tuning product - the FlashPro. Initially this will available for the Civic Si and Civic Type R.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
The FlashPro allows you to custom tune your Civic Si for aftermarket performance products, including forced induction. Additionally you can datalog, graph & analyze your engine parameters.
Out of the box features which you will like is the ability to run any sized injector, switch to a speed/density (MAP) based calibration to bypass any air flow meter problems from forced induction and big cams, and use a VTEC window. There also are the usual table editing and parameters such are cam angle, ignition, fuel, closed loop etc.
The price is $695, including tuning/datalogging software, and the expected release date is in June. June this year, if you’re in doubt.
For more information see FlashPro
We will update the above page with answers to your questions as they come up.
Thank you for your patience – we’ve been looking forward to this moment for some time.
Answers to questions. Disclaimer: some features may change by the release, but we're trying to give the best answers we can at the moment to your questions.
- Are there base calibrations?
Yes, for all common part combinations, plus JR and CT superchargers.
- Do I need dyno tuning?
It is not necessary for common part combinations (intake, exhaust), but you still have the option of custom tuning if you wish to get a little more. Camshafts probably will need tuning to get the most of the them - it will depend on the camshaft manufacturer.
- Can I get rid of the AFM?
You can switch to a MAP based calibration (recommened for forced induction and/or cams). You need to still physically retain the AFM because it also contains the IAT sensor.
- CT supercharger Stage 1 owners may choose to upgrade directly to the FlashPro.
If you paid a deposit for a Stage II reflash, you will need to discuss upgrade options with whoever took your deposit as neither CT Engineering or Hondata take deposits.
- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
- Will this work on more than one vehicle?
The FlashPro is locked to one vehicle. It can be unlocked and transferred to another vehicle by returning the ECU to stock.
- Can I share the calibrations I make for my car?
Yes.
- Do I need the laptop in the vehicle to reflash the ECU?
No. The FlashPro can upload either with or without a laptop.
- Is there a VTEC window?
Yes. This means that VTEC will operate based on rpm and engine load. For example, the supercharger reflashes have a VTEC window from 3200 rpm - 6000 rpm. At full throttle, VTEC operates at 3200 rpm. At light throttle, VTEC operates at 6000 rpm, and for load between full and light the VTEC will shift between 3200 rpm and 6000 rpm. (Engine load (MAP) is actually used to determine the switch point, but I've use throttle to illustrate the example). You can see some of this in a screen shot http://www.hondata.com/images/flashp...n-ignition.gif
Note that a VTEC window is more than just a VTEC point which you can vary by rpm - it has load characteristics too.
- So does that mean 1 unit Hondata flashpro can only work with one ecu or car only? Which mean i can't buy one set flashpro and used it together with a few of my buddies civics?
On ECU and vehicle at a time. You can unlock the FlashPro by returning the ECU to stock, and then transfer to another vehicle.
- Does it have control over DBW?
Yes, but we don't change anything to do with DBW. The first reason is that there is no need to - the DBW control works fairly well as it is. The second reason is for legal liability.
- Any option of immobilizer control?
The immobilizer can not be disabled. We've implemented a number of features designed to protect the owner of the vehicle from theft, and one of these is not to allow the immobilizer to be disabled. This is going to be much less of an issue than previous products because the ECU does not need to be removed / swapped.
- 90 sec programming - does that mean it can't do real time tuning?
Correct. In any case, if you are tuning a vehicle, you need to wait longer than 90 seconds between dyno runs in order to maintain consistency between runs. If you think you could set the dyno up as constant rpm or load, and then tune each cell in each table, this type of tuning does not work because the engine temperature and therefore output changes fairly rapidly, prohibiting this type of tuning.
- If the ECU had been reflashed by another maker, can Flashpro still work?
Probably - we could tell you based off the ECU part & serial numbers plus the calibration ID. When you unlock the FlashPro it will only be reflashed back to a stock calibration.
-Will this support a 64-Bit windows vista?
Not at first. We need to make sure the USB driver is working 100% before handing over the money to Microsoft, because after that every change to the USB driver incurrs a substantial cost to re-certify.
Edit: We have tested with Windows Vista 32 & 64 bit, and Windows 7 RC1 32 & 64 bit - the drivers work. This is a little puzzling as the 64 bit drivers are signed by us, but not certified by WinQual, so we would not expect them to work on Vista 64 and Windows 7 64 bit.
- can it control nitrous?
Not at the moment. However, you can at least control the ignition timing to make nitrous safer.
- Preorders?
Hondata is not taking preorders, but some of our dealers are.
- Will dealers need a software license?
No. Every FlashPro will come with the full tuning software FlashProManager.
- Are there training materials?
Three training videos to the FlashPro page.
- I have X intake, Y header and fluffy things hanging from my mirror. How much power will I make with your system?
I can take 5 stock, same model Hondas and make 5 different power figures on one dyno.
I can take one Honda to 5 different dynos and get 5 different power figures.
There are a huge number of combinations of cam, intake, header and catback. Some parts work and others do not. This system will allow you to tune your airfuel ratio, ignition and cam angle to match your combination of parts and fuel type. We are providing the tuning ability. The power you make is up to your (intelligent) combination of parts and tuning.
- Does it fix the rev hang?
Yes. The rev hang is the result of the injectors continuing to provide fuel for a period of time after the throttle is closed. This time is reduced by the calibrations provided with the FlashPro and the revs drop much sooner after throttle liftoff.
- Can it eliminate the second o2 sensor?
Yes. The secondary oxygen sensor is used to monitor the catalytic converter efficiency and assist with closed loop operation. For off road racing use in which a catalytic converter is not desirable, the secondary oxygen sensor can be disabled using the FlashProManager software without any negative affect on the tuning or operation of the car.
- What about smog with a MAP calibration?
According to US and CA law the FlashPro is for off road use only. However, if you did smog you would find the readiness codes supported and complete.
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hey guys is flash pro capatible with the 05-06 rsx type s?
unless they have the same ecu. go troll crsx phil.hey guys is flash pro capatible with the 05-06 rsx type s?
nohey guys is flash pro capatible with the 05-06 rsx type s?
Shady...This changed over night on the site....
Said this last night on hondata's product page
NOW, today it says this.
So hondata still hasn't gave any insight of it auto locking to your car only or not and if it's able to tune several cars at the same time.
Said this last night on hondata's product page
I already have a reflash. Is there a discount?
Yes, for 3 months from the date of release a discount is offered to existing Civic Si reflash owners. In order to qualify for the discount, the ECU will need to be sent to Hondata where the the FlashPro is locked to your ECU.
The discount is $150 for existing Civic Si reflash owners which includes free overnight return shipping. (additional $50 value)
If you choose not to send in your ECU for a discount the FlashPro will still work perfectly for your car.
NOW, today it says this.
I already have a reflash. Is there a discount?
Yes, for 3 months from the date of release a discount is offered to existing Civic Si reflash owners. In order to qualify for the discount, the ECU will need to be sent to Hondata to verify the reflash.
The discount is $150 for existing Civic Si reflash owners which includes free overnight return shipping. (additional $50 value)
If you choose not to send in your ECU for a discount the FlashPro will still work perfectly for your car.
So hondata still hasn't gave any insight of it auto locking to your car only or not and if it's able to tune several cars at the same time.
They have already said it will be locked to the car but if wish to put on another car u must first flash back to stock.So hondata still hasn't gave any insight of it auto locking to your car only or not and if it's able to tune several cars at the same time.
that makes very good sense or you would have one per town and everyone would pass it around like a whore. Same way the AP works as a matter of fact.They have already said it will be locked to the car but if wish to put on another car u must first flash back to stock.
The page was changed to clear up confusion. Existing reflashes need to come to us to verify they have a reflash. At that point we put the ECU back to stock and lock the FlashPro to it.Shady...This changed over night on the site....
Said this last night on hondata's product page
NOW, today it says this.
So hondata still hasn't gave any insight of it auto locking to your car only or not and if it's able to tune several cars at the same time.
We've answered the locking question - I know it is hard to find in 30 pages of posts. FlashPro can only be locked to one vehicle at a time. If you flash the ECU back to stock, then you can unlock the FlashPro and use it on another vehicle.
what is Theft mitigation ??????????????
can you update the OP with this and any other information you give so that they dont ask time after time.The page was changed to clear up confusion. Existing reflashes need to come to us to verify they have a reflash. At that point we put the ECU back to stock and lock the FlashPro to it.
We've answered the locking question - I know it is hard to find in 30 pages of posts. FlashPro can only be locked to one vehicle at a time. If you flash the ECU back to stock, then you can unlock the FlashPro and use it on another vehicle.
Yes - you can make a calibration with a speed limiter or one that will not start the vehicle. The question you need to ask is if you can then upload from the FlashPro more than one calibration without a laptop. This is something that we have not got listed in the feature list because we are not 100% sure it will make it to the first release, but it will be possible to use the FlashPro to upload a valet mode calibration, then upload a normal calibration.Does the flashpro allow for vallet-mode, econo-mode, etc?
A note for 'economy' mode - any well tuned calibration will be close to peak economy. There really is no need for a specific economy calibration. The only thing which will help your economy further is to run in open loop and leaner air/fuel mixtures. This will make your car a polluter and only gives you a few percent better economy. See the fuel economy graph in the article I wrote for Honda Tuning a few years back. Fuel Economy Tuning - Tech Review - Honda Tuning Magazine
We can't stop someone stealing your car or possessions, but we've tried to implement a few things to help security:theft mitigation?
- Immobilizer cannot be disabled. We know there are fairly easy ways around the ECU immobilizer function, but we want to start out by not making it easy for theives.
- FlashPro can be password locked so that the FlashPro itself is no use if stolen.
- FlashPro has owner's details which can't be changed without the security password.
- ECU can be password locked so that another FlashPro won't upload to the ECU. If your car is stolen then the thief is looking at a new ECU and a trip to the Honda dealer.
contacted my tuner. awaiting a response on the "research" they find about this product. if it's FINALLY legit, then I'm buying the FIRST one.
cash in hand.
cash in hand.
Hey Hondata
Does the FlashPro allows to take control over DBW?
Can we improve the throttle response and remove the factory delay that these cars have?
Does the FlashPro allows to take control over DBW?
Can we improve the throttle response and remove the factory delay that these cars have?
Just want to chime in that I support this locking mechanism. You're essentially selling the hard work and time you put into developing the software for this application, and it'd be piracy for one purchase to be applied to multiple cars/owners.The page was changed to clear up confusion. Existing reflashes need to come to us to verify they have a reflash. At that point we put the ECU back to stock and lock the FlashPro to it.
We've answered the locking question - I know it is hard to find in 30 pages of posts. FlashPro can only be locked to one vehicle at a time. If you flash the ECU back to stock, then you can unlock the FlashPro and use it on another vehicle.
I am shocked to see how many people on here have no idea how a full engine tuning software works, what it does, or both.
On another note WOOOOOOT!
On another note WOOOOOOT!
This is great news and I'll be anxiously awaiting for the dyno results.
I don't know if this has been answered before. I don't feel like reading through 600 pages. :hiding:
Example: The reflash has a vtec window from 4500-5800. Can you do this with the flashpro?
Example: The reflash has a vtec window from 4500-5800. Can you do this with the flashpro?
it has been answered, yes.I don't know if this has been answered before. I don't feel like reading through 600 pages. :hiding:
Example: The reflash has a vtec window from 4500-5800. Can you do this with the flashpro?
incredibly disappointing...- Will this work on R18s or automatics?
Initially the FlashPro is for the US/Canada Si and Euro/Asia CTR. ECU part numbers are listed on our website.
do you have any idea when they might release it for the r18 engine ( there are alot of places that can only get these...)
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