[NitrousG35]

This is great to hear. Kind of vindicates me for starting the thread about Hondata coming out soon with a programmable unit. There are a number of members here on the forum who should be eating crow right now.

 

[NitrousG35]

yay, Hondata waited for someone else to come out with another tuning unit, exhausted all the reflashed customers, screwed over tons of people, made us wait long enough just to get more of your money. :woot:

How did they screw over tons of people? I agree on the long wait. However, 2009 is turning out to be an epic year, not just for Hondata and CobbTuning. Other companies are stepping up as well.

I was going to get the reflash anyway, but decided to wait for this. I fail to see how the price for this unit is going to get that much more money from me than a reflash would.

 

[NitrousG35]

In Hondata's defense, I started a thread on 3-16-09 about an e-mail I had sent to Modified Magazine Editor Peter Tarach. In that thread, I mentioned that there was no tuning option for us at this time.

Hondata came into that thread and refuted that. http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/bolt-ons-all-motor/146000-got-reply-editor-modified-magazine.html

I then messaged Doug of Hondata and asked for permission to start a thread announcing the soon to be released programmable ECU option. http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/bolt...a-offer-user-programmable-solution-k20z3.html

Hondata came here before Cobb Tuning mentioned that they were also working on a tuning option for our cars. I feel it is just a coincidence that both companies are releasing products around the same time. In any event, shouldn't we all be happy that this finally came out rather than ***** and moan?

 

[NitrousG35]

Indeed.

I'd like to make a thread in the future about the critical current AFR sensor and how it works. Also, most people don't know that, in these types of systems (i.e. those which utilize an air/ fuel ratio sensor instead of a heated oxygen sensor as the primary), the ECM/ PCM also uses the secondary O2 sensor to modify the air/ fuel ratio. So, for those running without the secondary plugged into the bung, or for those using defoulers, the ECM/ PCM cannot modify the air/ fuel ratio optimally. It's not like back in the day with a basic primary heated oxygen sensor which was solely used for air/ fuel ratio modification. In that system, the secondary was used solely for determining catalytic converter efficiency. That's not the case anymore. Secondary has become an agent in air/ fuel ratio modification, so it's important for it to be placed in the exhaust stream, as it comes from the factory.

Suddenly, I feel like a babbling infant blurting out goo-goo-ga-ga to an Einstein describing the theory of relativity. This may be the single, best technical analysis I have ever read here on 8th Gen. Please give us more of this kind of writing.

 

[NitrousG35]

At freaking last! Dang Hondata is a smart company lol god knows how long they had this ready and were just using it for reflashes. All we had to do before was stop buying reflashes from them and they would have been force to release the tuning stuff faster :D

Actually, that is not true. There were other issues that delayed the release of FlashPro. If people had not gotten reflashes, then they would have had to live with perfomance they would have had w/o the reflash. Obviously with a product like this, there are shady, fly by night companies that would love to steal the propriatary rights of Hondata. Hondata has every right to protect its engineering and intellectual rights to the product they have come out with.

I made a decision over a year ago to wait for the new Hondata product. So, instead of a reflash, I put my money into other things in my Si. I did not have an inside track a year ago as I was not even a moderator. Just common sense told me to wait.

Hondata is bigger than just the 8th Gen Si w/K20Z3 motor. They have products out there for many other Hondas/Acuras. Ours is only a part of the business they do. Hopefully, with all the Si's being sold and with all the interest there is in modifying them, people will now take this car more seriously. It is about time that we get some respect from Evo and WRX/STi/Cobalt SS/MS3 owners. With the Hondata tuning capability, methinks there are going to be many surprised owners of said vehicles wherever the competition is.

 

[NitrousG35]

Doug Macmillan is working on a 20 minute video that will detail how to use the FlashPro. It will go into great detail about how to use it as well as the different aspects and features it offers.

I am a noob to this kind of tuning as I have never ever had a car that had tuning capabilites until recently for my G35 and now the Si. There is much for me to learn. Just reading the comments from the more knowledgeable here on the site is really getting me up to speed.

 

[NitrousG35]

:1: Except that sifting through 40+ pages of repeated questions and sarcastic responses to repeated questions is way past old. :hiding:

Good point. We on the staff need to remove posts not germaine to the thread. I really would only like to see people who have genuine technical questions to post and those with the bs to not post at all.

Report posts that you feel are off topic so that we can remove them ASAP.

 

[NitrousG35]

Guys, can we keep the woots, creamed in my shorts, smilies and other comments out of this thread? Let's only post either technical comments or questions that have not been answered by Hondata. That way we can all learn. Otherwise, we have to read through pages of bs.

I and other staff members will immediately delete any of the above mentioned items. We all have a great opportunity to learn much.

 

[NitrousG35]

Ok, let me be succinct. About every 5 pages or so, I have to ask people not to use this thread as a bs chat section. We are trying to keep this thread for technical discussion.

This means absolutely no smilies, how much power will it make?, Yes, I am getting this, I am selling my car and other comments not germaine to the thread.

I had to remove over 25 posts from last night that went off topic. If anyone does not heed this warning, I will issue infractions. If you want to shoot the breeze, go to the VIP section or go to threads that are meaningless.

You guys know who you are who consistently post this crap. Please refrain from using this thread as your personal sandbox to play in.

 

[NitrousG35]

Thats EXACTLY why I made a "FlashPro DISCUSSION!" thread.. but some mod locked it and said there is already a discussion going on overe here.. So I tried to help, It had like 2 pages rather quickly then it was locked. Go figure.

Actually, I asked Hondata about a second thread and they asked that we not start a second thread. They said they will keep updating the first post. BTW, there is also a Hondata thread going on in the Forced Induction section. I left it because the guys in FI usually are more technically oriented than the Bolt On Section and their comments are directed towards a supercharger or turbo.

 

[NitrousG35]

Mike, I just checked the site and they worked fine for me.

 

[NitrousG35]

Ok, let me be succinct. About every 5 pages or so, I have to ask people not to use this thread as a bs chat section. We are trying to keep this thread for technical discussion.

This means absolutely no smilies, how much power will it make?, Yes, I am getting this, I am selling my car and other comments not germaine to the thread.

I had to remove over 25 posts from last night that went off topic. If anyone does not heed this warning, I will issue infractions. If you want to shoot the breeze, go to the VIP section or go to threads that are meaningless.

You guys know who you are who consistently post this crap. Please refrain from using this thread as your personal sandbox to play in.

What is it with some of you and your reading ability? I made it clear that smilies, subscribed, woots, which tuner in NY or Fla. or the like will be removed and the malefactors will receive punitive action.

Many people want this thread to stay focused on the capabilities of the Hondata FlashPro. We are not interested in how much hp you will make, nor which tuner to go to. Post that in other areas of the forum.

Raise your hand if you want a seven day ban. Last warning. Sheesh.

 

[NitrousG35]

i have i/h/e
do you think its worth getting flashpro? would i see gains?
can you guys recommend upgrading something else before i go flashpro

People with an intake/header/cat-back have benefited greatly from the reflash, so the FlashPro will improve on that because you will be able to tune specifically for what you have.

I am going to get the FlashPro and then have my tuner take it from there. He said that this may take a little longer initially to tune as he will need to familiarize himself with the FlashPro. I want to optimize the A/F ratio initially and see if the midrange can be fattened up. Then I would highly recommend going to cams next.

 

[NitrousG35]

- You can adjust the cam angles, but would you want/need to adjust them if you were running on stock internals?
Of course, tuning the cam angles is part of the tuning process. I'm not sure how stock internals ties in though.

so i can raise the cam angle on stock internals?
is this beneifical in any way?

It will optimize the cams. It certainly will not hurt anything to tune the cams. I would watch the second video Hondata did to understand this better.

 

[NitrousG35]

^^^
Advancing the intake cam angle relative to the crank angle will open and close the valves earlier in the cycle. To get an effect like that mentioned above, you'd want to retard the cam angle. In general, advancing the cam angle improves bottom and mid-range torque; Retarding the cam angle improves top end.

Thank you. I finallly can relate to something here in this thread. I have never had a car that I could tune with something like K-Pro or the FlashPro. However, back in the day, I had a built 1976 VW Scirocco with a very strong street/strip cam. It had an adjustable cam sprocket. As you said, advancing the cam angle gave more bottom to mid range power while retarding gave more top end power. Boy, was it ever simple to mod cars back then and relatively easy to "tune" them.

It is imperative that anyone considering cam changes to watch Doug's second video. It is amazing to watch how he could change things electronically. My simple mind is still trying to grasp it fully, but I see how it can make amazing improvements. As for my mind, it used to advance, but now it retards....

 

[NitrousG35]

Please keep the chit-chat out of the thread - it makes it hard to see questions.

Exactly. I am sorry about this. Everyday, I along with a couple of other mods probably have had to delete close to 20 or more posts that are off topic.

I placed a warning a while back and I will revisit it. All posts that are chatty, off topic, use just a smilie, talk about their engine builds, compare one intake to another, talk about CobbTuning or anything else not germaine to the thread will be deleted and the people posting it will receive the consequences. I gave out some infractions before and will do it again.

Also, don't ask questions about when the FlashPro is coming out. Hondata will tell us when it is ready and have a new thread for it. Same goes for asking the same questions that can be answered on the first page.

If someone posts something that is in violation of this, do not post a rebuttal as that too will be deleted. Let the mods handle this.

There are threads to chat in regarding tuning. I did one specifically for this reason so that people can discuss their engine plans with the new tuning options. http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/ecu-...ing-options-what-your-engine-build-plans.html

CobbTuning is having the same trouble in their thread. I ask that everyone respect both vendors and address comments in their appropriate places.

 

[NitrousG35]

Bboy Burst has IPS cams and a Skunk2 70mm exhaust.

Engine/Performance Modifications
* Stock Air Intake
* P2R Throttle Body Spacer & Gaskets
* SSR 4-1 Race Header
* NST Pulleys
* Boomba Motor Mounts
* Skunk2 MegaPower R 70mm
* Hondata ECU Reflash
* SuperTech ValveTrain
* Intrinsic Performance Solution K2 MARK II 8620
* Hondata Intake Manifold Gasket
* Boomba Fuel Rail

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/bolt...s-installed-warning-nude-pictures-inside.html

 

[NitrousG35]

People, stop making stupid posts about the release of the FlashPro. This is getting ridiculous. Hondata's website has this to say: Available in late June 2009 for $795. Hondata - Honda ECU Modification and Enhancement

Please no more sarcastic remarks either about why I am deleting posts regarding the release of the FlashPro.

 

[NitrousG35]

I will be getting a custom tune once I get my FlashPro. However, it won't be done by your Friday deadline. My tuner will need to get familiar with how FlashPro works before anything is done. The good thing is that Doug's videos give a good overview of how everything works. My tuner is quite familiar with K-Pro, so there should be similarities.