are you making that assumption because that's what you think would happen when you start to see the valves float?
Getting Kelford 179-A's Installed!!!
So I have been eyeing these cams for the past few months and I'm finally going to pull the trigger on them. I have been in contact with Slowmotion Motorsports today and left a deposit. I don't have an install date scheduled yet but, hopefully it will be next week. Im getting Kelford cams, RDX injectors, and a tune for a really good price. I don't have a baseline with my current mods but I should be sitting around 215whp based on what most have here.
My current mods:
K&N SRI
SK2 Alpha
Ultimate Racing 3" CBE
Flashpro
Mods to be installed before cams:
TSX TB
Custom 4" silicon intake
My current mods:
K&N SRI
SK2 Alpha
Ultimate Racing 3" CBE
Flashpro
Mods to be installed before cams:
TSX TB
Custom 4" silicon intake
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You'll love it if you do. The powerband is crazy looking at an overlay of my K20 with all the bolt-ons and a tune vs. the 24.True, but you also have so much more potential down the road man. K20/K24 is the way to go: torque down low and high revs! I'm so jelly, but in a good way :thumb:
Hoping to do that in a couple years myself....
Probably drops power too, but this is if it doesn't have ptv contact. Perhaps even misfires.are you making that assumption because that's what you think would happen when you start to see the valves float?
It's not an assumption, the internet is a wide vast resource of information.
just because the power begins to flatline or drop at higher rpm does not mean that the valves are necessarily floating. yes it may misfire.Probably drops power too, but this is if it doesn't have ptv contact. Perhaps even misfires.
It's not an assumption, the internet is a wide vast resource of information.
we're getting off topic now. i don't know how well the stock springs and retainers will hold up in the long run with drop in cams but me personally i wouldn't risk it. one misshift or any pull at higher rpms can cause a valve to drop out of no where. remember what happened to this guy:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autocross-sanctioned-drag-racing/276194-new-k20z3-na-record.html
well kelford told me on the phone they're good to the same 8600 the stock cams are, so i'll just go with them lol.
And sorry, i didn't mean that if valves were floating if it flatlines power.
And sorry, i didn't mean that if valves were floating if it flatlines power.
at what RPM was it recorded ? wait he had oem springs....:facepalm:just because the power begins to flatline or drop at higher rpm does not mean that the valves are necessarily floating. yes it may misfire.
we're getting off topic now. i don't know how well the stock springs and retainers will hold up in the long run with drop in cams but me personally i wouldn't risk it. one misshift or any pull at higher rpms can cause a valve to drop out of no where. remember what happened to this guy:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autocross-sanctioned-drag-racing/276194-new-k20z3-na-record.html
just because the power begins to flatline or drop at higher rpm does not mean that the valves are necessarily floating. yes it may misfire.
we're getting off topic now. i don't know how well the stock springs and retainers will hold up in the long run with drop in cams but me personally i wouldn't risk it. one misshift or any pull at higher rpms can cause a valve to drop out of no where. remember what happened to this guy:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autocross-sanctioned-drag-racing/276194-new-k20z3-na-record.html
To be fair, a misshift can end a 100% bone stock K20z3. The guys that are mis shifting and making it out OK are getting very lucky.
Yes but he wasn't running drop in cams.just because the power begins to flatline or drop at higher rpm does not mean that the valves are necessarily floating. yes it may misfire.
we're getting off topic now. i don't know how well the stock springs and retainers will hold up in the long run with drop in cams but me personally i wouldn't risk it. one misshift or any pull at higher rpms can cause a valve to drop out of no where. remember what happened to this guy:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autocross-sanctioned-drag-racing/276194-new-k20z3-na-record.html
THISTo be fair, a misshift can end a 100% bone stock K20z3. The guys that are mis shifting and making it out OK are getting very lucky.
For people thinking OEM valve train is somehow inferior by saying its ONE mis shift away from blowing up - no valve train on earth is going to keep that from happening when your going from say 80 to 40-50mph gear by accident and the motor wants to rev to the moon instantly
Honda engineers a nice safety window into the stock valvetrain and most have gone 3-400rpm higher and been just fine - especially those who dont live bouncing off the limiter.
The DICs and their ramp rates are fine for OEM valvetrain at/near OEM rpm levels....hell I remember when guys were running huge cams on OEM valvetrain and just limiting their revs - would I do it, probably not - but people take the risks to see numbers all the time
My biggest concern with these motors has been oiling issues of the cams, oil pickups and timing belt tensioners (skunk2 destroying them quickly) When I played with B series motors their was obviously belt issues and vibrations but it never seemed as huge an issue as these timing chain nightmares.
These DICs seem to be a nice safe cam to run to minimize the tct issues while maintaining OEM valvetrain - which is good. I drive 1500+miles a month and dont feel like having a wear item like titanium in there and having to check wear/fit all the time.
I would be interested in seeing what these setups would do with a stage 2 CTE setup blowing 9-10psi there way - the linear gains added with boost would lead me to believe a solid 300+whp without aftercooling...as my DD I would really like a reliable FI setup that breaks 300whp for the money spent on a blower....considering the mods most guys already have compliment a blower I think its the next logical jump vs more NA work/compromise reliability/drivability....
Great info OP
trueTo be fair, a misshift can end a 100% bone stock K20z3. The guys that are mis shifting and making it out OK are getting very lucky.
they are a mild cam and ips themselves say you can run those cams with their recommended oem spring combo and get away with it as long as you limit the revs but i wouldn't risk it.Yes but he wasn't running drop in cams.
i had titanium retainers on my old ep3. i put over 20k miles on them without any problems. it's not as bad as people think. if you don't want to run titanium, you have other options. iirc, brian crower sells steel retainers and supertech sells aluminum retainers.These DICs seem to be a nice safe cam to run to minimize the tct issues while maintaining OEM valvetrain - which is good. I drive 1500+miles a month and dont feel like having a wear item like titanium in there and having to check wear/fit all the time.
There's just no reason to run titanium retainers. That's how i feel about them.
But they're TITANIUM! JDM Titanium!
I agree, no reason to run them. Hell, I'm not even sold on Titanium exhausts. The cost vs. weight savings just doesn't make sense to me.
I agree, no reason to run them. Hell, I'm not even sold on Titanium exhausts. The cost vs. weight savings just doesn't make sense to me.
Titanium is just for weight savings on the valvetrain right?
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They were svm cams different then the ips but only recommended to 8200 with an oem valve spring retainer option. I know nikos is making these cams but he says they are a different profile than the k2's and plus he had the 2nd revision. They are a mild cam but still more agressive than the dic'strue
they are a mild cam and ips themselves say you can run those cams with their recommended oem spring combo and get away with it as long as you limit the revs but i wouldn't risk it.
i had titanium retainers on my old ep3. i put over 20k miles on them without any problems. it's not as bad as people think. if you don't want to run titanium, you have other options. iirc, brian crower sells steel retainers and supertech sells aluminum retainers.
x2 failat what RPM was it recorded ? wait he had oem springs....:facepalm:
Im going to be dropping h0ndafanat1cs cams into my car next week, be on the lookout for another dyno.
:thumbsup:
hope it works out for you man!
hope it works out for you man!
I run my spoon "dic" cams for 2,5 years with stock spring and retainers, 8800 rpm all day. No problem. As mugen say on a sticker " don't miss shift".just because the power begins to flatline or drop at higher rpm does not mean that the valves are necessarily floating. yes it may misfire.
we're getting off topic now. i don't know how well the stock springs and retainers will hold up in the long run with drop in cams but me personally i wouldn't risk it. one misshift or any pull at higher rpms can cause a valve to drop out of no where. remember what happened to this guy:
http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/autocross-sanctioned-drag-racing/276194-new-k20z3-na-record.html
kris5597, did you use hondata´s suggestion vtc calibration? which one?
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