At what point do Police/Sheriff searches cross the line?

civsnake · 05-14-2008, 12:01 PM

I ran across this story on Digg this morning and found it interesting. It's about a man who was searched by Sheriff's Deputies without consent.

Outcry over Sheriff's Department search methods -- Page 1 -- Times Union - Albany NY

Summary:
A guy gets off a bus from NYC to Albany, NY. Deputies think he looks suspicious. They question him, he refuses to answer, tries to walk away. They take him into custody. They frisk him and check his bag, find nothing. Take him to station, strip search him, find nothing. Take him to medical center, have him drugged (sedation + amnesiac) against his will, perform colonoscopy (camera up the butt) against his will, find nothing. Turns out the guy was clean. Spent 10 hours in custody, now filing suit against department.

I recommend you read the whole thing to get more details about the situation (Department has a history of "overzealous" searches at bus station, man in question does in fact have several drug convictions against him).

So what's your opinion on this? Are officers and deputies justified in performing these kinds of searches in the name of safety? Have they overstepped their boundaries? Is this police state? I'll save my opinion for now so as not to influence anyone.

***SoCal07Si*** · 05-14-2008, 12:19 PM

Like all positions that have some kind of authority and power, its gonna be abused from time to time. This is just one example of millions.

I had a friend who was on the run one time. (he had robbed someone) The cops knew that the guys on my street always hang out together. We all grew up together.

So instead of cruising, looking for him, they decided that it'd be better to stop myself and the rest of these guys everytime they saw us. I was pulled over 4 times in one week without even leaving my street! It was the same thing everytime.

"Wheres ***** at?"

"who"

"You know who. U let him know we're gonna **** him up when we see him"

"if I knew who u were talking about, I would"

"well maybe you'd like to take his assbeating for him?"

"I'll pass, can I go to work now?"

That shit happened for 3 weeks before dude turned himself in.

I know what some are thinking, guilty by association or whatever. But the bottom line is that I didnt rob anyone. Why is it that I gotta be harassed? Its an abuse of power by guys who are hiding behind the badge.

That cop looked at me and figured I was just as guilty as my friend, because I hung out with him. So I could look at cops and think they're all cocksuckers because of the way a few were acting. right?

Sux for the cops that are really trying to make a difference and do good. As well as the everyday civilian, just trying to do good.

asndragonboii · 05-14-2008, 01:19 PM

well.. i think they crossed the line when they raped him.

drnknbndr · 05-14-2008, 01:33 PM

A machine raped him. How crazy is that.

**atruhondagrl** · 05-14-2008, 01:41 PM

I'm trying to figure out how in the world any thing they did was legal. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I think we're turning into a Socialist Democracy. Democratic Facade.

***cderalow*** · 05-14-2008, 03:51 PM

actually if he had any sort of prior conviction and was on probation, he automatically waives the right to consent of search and seizure.

part of the concept of probation, is that you can hide nothing, and refusing a search or actively protesting against it is a violation of that probation, especially if it's probation for a past conviction for drugs etc.

***Zeuceone*** · 05-14-2008, 04:12 PM

What do his prior convictions have to do with the situation.? Looks like they just threw that in their to make them look good. As if that was the reason for the search. The cops didn't know that when they decided to stop him.

**atruhondagrl** · 05-14-2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

What do his prior convictions have to do with the situation.? Looks like they just threw that in their to make them look good. As if that was the reason for the search. The cops didn't know that when they decided to stop him.

From the sounds of it, they just profiled someone "likely to be criminal". That is wrong. Criminatlity was afoot does not constitute probable cause. This crap makes me sick.

***SoCal07Si*** · 05-14-2008, 05:03 PM

Profiling FTL.

But we ALL do it

galaxygrey13 · 05-14-2008, 05:05 PM

I hope they catch him again and do the same thing to him.

***SoCal07Si*** · 05-14-2008, 05:09 PM

**atruhondagrl** · 05-14-2008, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal07Si

Profiling FTL.

But we ALL do it

Yeah but we don't have cuffs, badges and the ability to make a person's life a living hell unless we open our mouths and our words are that powerful/hateful.

***SoCal07Si*** · 05-14-2008, 05:16 PM

Thats true

***cderalow*** · 05-14-2008, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

What do his prior convictions have to do with the situation.? Looks like they just threw that in their to make them look good. As if that was the reason for the search. The cops didn't know that when they decided to stop him.

prior convictions and probation void his right to protection from illegal search and seizure

***SoCal07Si*** · 05-14-2008, 05:21 PM

I was profiled a few weeks ago, and the friend I was with has never experienced that. (caucasian btw)

We went somewhere, and were not allowed in. She was at the same place a couple weeks prior with her father and was welcomed in.

She started to ask questions and told the guard that she had just been there and blah blah blah. I stopped her and told her lets go.

She couldnt understand why they let her before and not now Then I told her "U were with ur dad last time, not some 20 somethin year old Mexican guy with tattoos all over the place."

Then she realized it. She started apologizing and all that. I told her it wasnt her fault and I didnt care. I was just glad because she was able to open her eyes a little.

05-14-2008, 12:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
civsnake Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Pasadena. South of the 210. Age: 26 Posts: 2,281 English Classassin iTrader: 1 / 100%	At what point do Police/Sheriff searches cross the line? I ran across this story on Digg this morning and found it interesting. It's about a man who was searched by Sheriff's Deputies without consent. Outcry over Sheriff's Department search methods -- Page 1 -- Times Union - Albany NY Summary: A guy gets off a bus from NYC to Albany, NY. Deputies think he looks suspicious. They question him, he refuses to answer, tries to walk away. They take him into custody. They frisk him and check his bag, find nothing. Take him to station, strip search him, find nothing. Take him to medical center, have him drugged (sedation + amnesiac) against his will, perform colonoscopy (camera up the butt) against his will, find nothing. Turns out the guy was clean. Spent 10 hours in custody, now filing suit against department. I recommend you read the whole thing to get more details about the situation (Department has a history of "overzealous" searches at bus station, man in question does in fact have several drug convictions against him). So what's your opinion on this? Are officers and deputies justified in performing these kinds of searches in the name of safety? Have they overstepped their boundaries? Is this police state? I'll save my opinion for now so as not to influence anyone.

05-14-2008, 01:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
atruhondagrl Why...so...serious? Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 23,353 iTrader: 22 / 100%	I'm trying to figure out how in the world any thing they did was legal. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I think we're turning into a Socialist Democracy. Democratic Facade. __________________ "I'm a dog chasing cars. I don't have plans. I just do things. I'm not a schemer. "

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*cderalow* VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Potomac-495-95-Springfield Posts: 1,054 Chris iTrader: 3 / 100%	actually if he had any sort of prior conviction and was on probation, he automatically waives the right to consent of search and seizure. part of the concept of probation, is that you can hide nothing, and refusing a search or actively protesting against it is a violation of that probation, especially if it's probation for a past conviction for drugs etc. __________________ 2008 Honda Civic Si Sedan Fiji Blue Pearl FBP Crew #00 FA Crew #000 2007 Honda CR-V EX-L AWD Whistler Silver Metallic HondaSUVForums Member

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05-14-2008, 12:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
*SoCal07Si* Warren Wallace Pwnz You! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Whitter, So Cali Age: 21 Posts: 11,314 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Like all positions that have some kind of authority and power, its gonna be abused from time to time. This is just one example of millions. I had a friend who was on the run one time. (he had robbed someone) The cops knew that the guys on my street always hang out together. We all grew up together. So instead of cruising, looking for him, they decided that it'd be better to stop myself and the rest of these guys everytime they saw us. I was pulled over 4 times in one week without even leaving my street! It was the same thing everytime. "Wheres *** at?" "who" "You know who. U let him know we're gonna ** him up when we see him" "if I knew who u were talking about, I would" "well maybe you'd like to take his assbeating for him?" "I'll pass, can I go to work now?" That shit happened for 3 weeks before dude turned himself in. I know what some are thinking, guilty by association or whatever. But the bottom line is that I didnt rob anyone. Why is it that I gotta be harassed? Its an abuse of power by guys who are hiding behind the badge. That cop looked at me and figured I was just as guilty as my friend, because I hung out with him. So I could look at cops and think they're all cocksuckers because of the way a few were acting. right? Sux for the cops that are really trying to make a difference and do good. As well as the everyday civilian, just trying to do good.

05-14-2008, 01:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
asndragonboii Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 2,655 iTrader: 0 / 0%	well.. i think they crossed the line when they raped him.

05-14-2008, 01:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
drnknbndr Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Diamond Bar, CA Age: 18 Posts: 871 Cliff Yu iTrader: 0 / 0%	A machine raped him. How crazy is that.

05-14-2008, 04:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 44,306 iTrader: 19 / 100%	What do his prior convictions have to do with the situation.? Looks like they just threw that in their to make them look good. As if that was the reason for the search. The cops didn't know that when they decided to stop him.

05-14-2008, 05:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
*SoCal07Si* Warren Wallace Pwnz You! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Whitter, So Cali Age: 21 Posts: 11,314 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Profiling FTL. But we ALL do it

05-14-2008, 05:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
galaxygrey13 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,404 Ignacio iTrader: 0 / 0%	I hope they catch him again and do the same thing to him.

05-14-2008, 05:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
*SoCal07Si* Warren Wallace Pwnz You! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Whitter, So Cali Age: 21 Posts: 11,314 iTrader: 1 / 100%

05-14-2008, 05:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
*SoCal07Si* Warren Wallace Pwnz You! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Whitter, So Cali Age: 21 Posts: 11,314 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Thats true

05-14-2008, 05:21 PM	#15 (permalink)
*SoCal07Si* Warren Wallace Pwnz You! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Whitter, So Cali Age: 21 Posts: 11,314 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I was profiled a few weeks ago, and the friend I was with has never experienced that. (caucasian btw) We went somewhere, and were not allowed in. She was at the same place a couple weeks prior with her father and was welcomed in. She started to ask questions and told the guard that she had just been there and blah blah blah. I stopped her and told her lets go. She couldnt understand why they let her before and not now Then I told her "U were with ur dad last time, not some 20 somethin year old Mexican guy with tattoos all over the place." Then she realized it. She started apologizing and all that. I told her it wasnt her fault and I didnt care. I was just glad because she was able to open her eyes a little.