Animal Cruelty. This Infuriates Me...

***Special Ringpop*** · 05-13-2008, 10:39 PM

St. Paul man accused of hurling, killing kitten

This infuriates me. It makes me more upset than human homicide...I'm not even kidding.

Hurting a poor, defenseless animal because you have a temper? This poor kitten...

I hate people.

***sh33t_0f_p4p3r*** · 05-13-2008, 10:43 PM

what a ding dong

Litlelev · 05-13-2008, 10:44 PM

i really hope he gets some serious punishment for that crime. there really is no excuse for someone to commit such cruel act of violence. Seriously, anyone that can hurt a kitten must have some problems in the head

JRM_FG2 · 05-13-2008, 10:49 PM

i couldnt even read all of that, its too sad. that guy is a POS and deserves whats coming to him.

***Special Ringpop*** · 05-13-2008, 10:53 PM

It just bothers me so much. How can anyone...ANYONE...want to hurt a kitten? Let alone through it into a wall

...

**atruhondagrl** · 05-13-2008, 10:58 PM

I like that some states are enacting laws with harsh punishments about these sort of things. I think both of my dogs just raised their paws in agreement.

Dar-Dar · 05-13-2008, 10:59 PM

that is so f***ed up. the cat killer should be put in a cage full of tigers. i want him to feel how the kitten felt.

gibbletz · 05-13-2008, 11:17 PM

If I was to kill my Boston Terrier like that (never would though), I'd only get a fine maybe here in kansas, where animal cruelty laws are a joke.

Asif22 · 05-13-2008, 11:34 PM

Oh my god that's so sad. What kind of sick **** would do that...

***Special Ringpop*** · 05-13-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by atruhondagrl

I like that some states are enacting laws with harsh punishments about these sort of things. I think both of my dogs just raised their paws in agreement.

I believe he is being charged with felony animal cruelty.

I'm glad it's a felony. There is utterly no excuse for that. Poor thing...

**firmhonda** · 05-13-2008, 11:45 PM

Goddamnit. I knew better than to click on that damn link but I read it anyways. Words can't describe the horrible things that I would do to that worthless ******* piece of ****.

Sorry for the language..

***exempt*** · 05-13-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

This infuriates me. It makes me more upset than human homicide...I'm not even kidding.

I agree completely. At least humans have the ability to defend themselves. :|

***NitrousG35*** · 05-14-2008, 12:06 AM

Mike, as a Jew, I know Jewish law is very strong in its opinions regarding the mistreatment of animals. Here is a portion of that law:

"Judaism places great stress on proper treatment of animals. Unnecessary cruelty to animals is strictly forbidden, and in many cases, animals are accorded the same sensitivity as human beings. This concern for the welfare of animals is unusual in Western civilization. Most civilized nations did not accept this principle until quite recently; cruelty to animals was not outlawed until the 1800s, and even now it is not taken very seriously.

The primary principle behind the treatment of animals in Jewish law is preventing tza'ar ba'alei chayim, the suffering of living creatures. Judaism expresses no definitive opinion as to whether animals actually experience physical or psychological pain in the same way that humans do; however, Judaism has always recognized the link between the way a person treats animals and the way a person treats human beings. A person who is cruel to a defenseless animal will undoubtedly be cruel to defenseless people. Modern psychology confirms this understanding, with many studies finding a relationship between childhood animal cruelty and adult criminal violence. Sadly, the converse is not always true: Hitler loved animals; PETA wrote a letter to Arafat telling him, when he wants to blow up a bus full of Israelis, could he please not hurt a donkey to do it.

In the Bible, those who care for animals are heroes, while those who hunt animals are villains. Jacob, Moses and King David were all shepherds, people who cared for animals (Gen. 30, Ex. 31, I Sam. 17). The Talmud specifically states that Moses was chosen for his mission because of his skill in caring for animals. "The Holy One, Blessed Be He, said 'Since you are merciful to the flock of a human being, you shall be the shepherd of My flock, Israel.'" Likewise Rebecca was chosen as a wife for Isaac because of her kindness to animals. When Abraham's servant asked for water for himself, she volunteered to water his camels as well, and thereby proved herself a worthy wife (Gen. 24). "

Judaism 101: Treatment of Animals

Mike, I too have no time for people who are cruel to animals. This guy in St. Paul was one deranged piece of garbage.

***xRivalNightTime*** · 05-14-2008, 12:38 AM

I got bit by my ex gfs cat. I joked with her I was gonna pick it up and throw it against the wall. She said noooooOO! And I laughed and said ok.

But Ringpop, I totally agree with you. Animal Cruelty FTL!

habitat · 05-14-2008, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

St. Paul man accused of hurling, killing kitten

This infuriates me. It makes me more upset than human homicide...I'm not even kidding.

Hurting a poor, defenseless animal because you have a temper? This poor kitten...

I hate people.

Are you serious? So cats are above humans now? I mean yea the guy is an assclown but I'd rather see 100 kittens die than 1 human.

**firmhonda** · 05-14-2008, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by habitat

Are you serious? So cats are above humans now? I mean yea the guy is an assclown but I'd rather see 100 kittens die than 1 human.

The key there is that a human can actually defend itself, while a little kitten is completely defenseless against what a douche like this could do.

I'm not justifying that animals are above humans, but I think that they are equal and so neither should ever be put through this kind of thing. Trust me, a very close friend of mine had a niece that died the same way that this kitten did, and I was no less angry about that than this.

waldo08 · 05-14-2008, 02:34 AM

Hecks no that is messed up...

They should get a launcher and launch him at a steel wall...

***Special Ringpop*** · 05-14-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by habitat

Are you serious? So cats are above humans now? I mean yea the guy is an assclown but I'd rather see 100 kittens die than 1 human.

I wouldn't. A human can defend themselves. What can a fragile kitten, who doesn't know what atrocities men (or women) are capable of, who only expects to be cared for and loved, do to protect itself?

While I value human life, I also value animal life. They are inextricably linked to me, and I don't believe that one is more important than the other. If someone ever touched my cat, I would put them in the hospital.

Bill articulated exactly how I feel about this. Just one more thing that you and I agree on completely, Bill.

habitat · 05-14-2008, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by firmhonda

The key there is that a human can actually defend itself, while a little kitten is completely defenseless against what a douche like this could do.

I'm not justifying that animals are above humans, but I think that they are equal and so neither should ever be put through this kind of thing. Trust me, a very close friend of mine had a niece that died the same way that this kitten did, and I was no less angry about that than this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

I wouldn't. A human can defend themselves. What can a fragile kitten, who doesn't know what atrocities men (or women) are capable of, who only expects to be cared for and loved, do to protect itself?

While I value human life, I also value animal life. They are inextricably linked to me, and I don't believe that one is more important than the other. If someone ever touched my cat, I would put them in the hospital.

Bill articulated exactly how I feel about this. Just one more thing that you and I agree on completely, Bill.

I see what you guys are saying, yea the kitten/cat is defenseless but you also have to think of it this way... these animals have been domesticated and basically stripped of their natural defenses by HUMANS. So through breeding, we've devolved them to what they are at home. Now on the flip side, put a wild bobcat next to a human (hand to hand, or shall i say hand to claw) and the bob cat would prob do some damage to an average human if not scare the human away completely.

Kind of a double standard IMO, yea kittens are helpless, but yea we also made them that way...

***Janizary*** · 05-14-2008, 02:58 PM

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Police eventually found Turner outside his mother's house in the 400 block of W. Maryland Avenue. There, he began to kick and punch officers, Panos said, and had to be sprayed with a chemical irritant before being arrested.

Should have given him the colonoscopy treatment that the fellow from the 'other' thread got.

05-13-2008, 10:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
atruhondagrl Why...so...serious? Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Gotham City Posts: 23,366 iTrader: 22 / 100%	I like that some states are enacting laws with harsh punishments about these sort of things. I think both of my dogs just raised their paws in agreement. __________________ "I'm a dog chasing cars. I don't have plans. I just do things. I'm not a schemer. "

05-13-2008, 11:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
gibbletz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Killing smilies one at a time. Posts: 1,449 Big Sexy iTrader: 1 / 100%	If I was to kill my Boston Terrier like that (never would though), I'd only get a fine maybe here in kansas, where animal cruelty laws are a joke. Last edited by gibbletz; 05-13-2008 at 11:21 PM.

05-14-2008, 12:06 AM	#13 (permalink)
*NitrousG35* Mr. Cowl Induction Join Date: May 2007 Location: To Infiniti and beyond... Posts: 8,919 Wild VTEC'n Bill iTrader: 1 / 100%	Mike, as a Jew, I know Jewish law is very strong in its opinions regarding the mistreatment of animals. Here is a portion of that law: "Judaism places great stress on proper treatment of animals. Unnecessary cruelty to animals is strictly forbidden, and in many cases, animals are accorded the same sensitivity as human beings. This concern for the welfare of animals is unusual in Western civilization. Most civilized nations did not accept this principle until quite recently; cruelty to animals was not outlawed until the 1800s, and even now it is not taken very seriously. The primary principle behind the treatment of animals in Jewish law is preventing tza'ar ba'alei chayim, the suffering of living creatures. Judaism expresses no definitive opinion as to whether animals actually experience physical or psychological pain in the same way that humans do; however, Judaism has always recognized the link between the way a person treats animals and the way a person treats human beings. A person who is cruel to a defenseless animal will undoubtedly be cruel to defenseless people. Modern psychology confirms this understanding, with many studies finding a relationship between childhood animal cruelty and adult criminal violence. Sadly, the converse is not always true: Hitler loved animals; PETA wrote a letter to Arafat telling him, when he wants to blow up a bus full of Israelis, could he please not hurt a donkey to do it. In the Bible, those who care for animals are heroes, while those who hunt animals are villains. Jacob, Moses and King David were all shepherds, people who cared for animals (Gen. 30, Ex. 31, I Sam. 17). The Talmud specifically states that Moses was chosen for his mission because of his skill in caring for animals. "The Holy One, Blessed Be He, said 'Since you are merciful to the flock of a human being, you shall be the shepherd of My flock, Israel.'" Likewise Rebecca was chosen as a wife for Isaac because of her kindness to animals. When Abraham's servant asked for water for himself, she volunteered to water his camels as well, and thereby proved herself a worthy wife (Gen. 24). " Judaism 101: Treatment of Animals Mike, I too have no time for people who are cruel to animals. This guy in St. Paul was one deranged piece of garbage. __________________

05-14-2008, 12:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
*xRivalNightTime* Abraham Himself Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Where It's Hot In The Winter ;] Age: 18 Posts: 2,534 Bryan iTrader: 0 / 0%	I got bit by my ex gfs cat. I joked with her I was gonna pick it up and throw it against the wall. She said noooooOO! And I laughed and said ok. But Ringpop, I totally agree with you. Animal Cruelty FTL! __________________ KB24 MVP!

05-13-2008, 10:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
*sh33t_0f_p4p3r* VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: North Port, Florida Age: 22 Posts: 2,387 Tobie iTrader: 1 / 100%	what a ding dong

05-13-2008, 10:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Litlelev Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,017 iTrader: 3 / 100%	i really hope he gets some serious punishment for that crime. there really is no excuse for someone to commit such cruel act of violence. Seriously, anyone that can hurt a kitten must have some problems in the head

05-13-2008, 10:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
JRM_FG2 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Antonio Age: 22 Posts: 740 Jason iTrader: 18 / 100%	i couldnt even read all of that, its too sad. that guy is a POS and deserves whats coming to him.

05-13-2008, 10:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dar-Dar Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Passaic Park, NJ Age: 19 Posts: 1,244 iTrader: 0 / 0%	that is so f***ed up. the cat killer should be put in a cage full of tigers. i want him to feel how the kitten felt.

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Asif22 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: United States Posts: 2,002 Mohamed El-Mubaslat iTrader: 0 / 0%	Oh my god that's so sad. What kind of sick **** would do that...

05-14-2008, 02:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
waldo08 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Oklahoma Age: 19 Posts: 401 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Hecks no that is messed up... They should get a launcher and launch him at a steel wall...