pentagon

nick06ex · 03-29-2006, 03:37 AM

watch this video interesing theory..... think what you want i dont really have an opinion on it yet...

http://www.freedomunderground.org/me...entagon121.swf

j3hff · 03-29-2006, 04:01 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9%2F11&pl=true

this one wins the medals man.. its the best watch this and youll turn democratic fo sho..

nick06ex · 03-29-2006, 06:04 PM

no one watched

**2fast4u2** · 03-29-2006, 06:09 PM

Wow....I'm speechless!

Kabs · 03-29-2006, 08:41 PM

oooh i watched...... and i believe it..

what got me about the pentagon was

those 2 engines did no damage and didnt show up. they are made of titanium which melts at 1.7k C? and air fuel burns at 1k.

And all the security videos were missing? BS

Damn gov

skittleslegend · 03-29-2006, 09:06 PM

My dad worked in the office across directly--and I do mean literally, directly--from impact. He retired from DOD in February and moved to an office on the other side of the building, but he frequently went back up there to get them print stuff for him and shoot the sh*t. The lone survivor of the office downstairs was a lady from my church. She said she'd just come from talking to one of the guys at the front of their office (she worked in the rear of the office) when the plane crashed through the door. Everyone died and she said she held her hands out, as most people do when something is coming at them and she prayed. The only injuries she sustained were 2nd degree burns on the palms of her hands. I don't care who you talk to; that's a blessing from God. I never knew why she wore casts on both her for arms. She had them on for almost a year. Then one Sunday she stood up and gave a testimony.

waross · 03-29-2006, 09:29 PM

Thanks Skittles.. So many are quikc to condem or draw conclusions. The pictures in this show were probably doctored as my wife threw in a video tape when all this was happening and when you go back and watch it you clearly see all the airplane parts and the damage and the fuel is what caused most everything to be totally destroyed. It easy for Monday morning quarterbacks and a bunch of liberals to set back and criticize. Just remember it was Clinton that let Bin Laden go when we had him.

skittleslegend · 03-29-2006, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waross

Thanks Skittles.. So many are quikc to condem or draw conclusions. The pictures in this show were probably doctored as my wife threw in a video tape when all this was happening and when you go back and watch it you clearly see all the airplane parts and the damage and the fuel is what caused most everything to be totally destroyed. It easy for Monday morning quarterbacks and a bunch of liberals to set back and criticize. Just remember it was Clinton that let Bin Laden go when we had him.

But it wasn't it Bush Sr. that turned his back on Afghanistan during their war with Russia that ultimately led to the bombing during Clinton's? I'm asking because I'm not sure, not cuz I'm trying to be smart

. The blame is on pretty much everyone in the goverment since the mid 80's. Even Bush jr. could've caught him in the few days after 911, when the American people were in a daze and the gov. was doing whatever they were doing.

Has anyone seen V for Vendetta? It's interesting as to how the Wachowski's wrote about what happened to America that led to Europe getting the number one spot. If you haven't seen it, I suggest seeing it for no other reason than the political aspect of it.

ttheisen93 · 03-29-2006, 10:57 PM

Its somewhat plausible, however I have some issues with some of the logic:

Most airline crashes are more of a "skip a rock across the ground" kind of thing, not a "slam it into a bunker", and that's really what the Pentagon seems like. I've been there many a time and the sheer collosal-ness of the construction is awe inspiring. You can clearly see that each floor/ceiling is about three feet of reinforced concrete. That's a damn tough ass building. When it got hit, I knew the plane wouldn't get all the way to the center because that building is so robust. So I would think that's why there are no pieces bigger than a couple of feet across, because the energy conversion was such that the plane literally disintegrated.

The comments about that guy's piloting skills were kind of pointless because the hard things about flying are: landing safely, flying while managing systems and crew members, making proper radio calls, and all of the things that come with legitimate piloting. Grabbing a plane already in flight and monkeying it into a building just aint that difficult. I would guess that almost everyone on this board could step into a simulator cold and do the same. I can coach family members on how to land a DC-10 in a sim 9 times out of 10, and that's much harder, and they all easily demonstrate enough skill to keep the plane in the air, push up the throttles, and aim at what I tell them to.

Could there be a conspiracy? Sure. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor though to see why you may want to stick with the simple answer until more information comes out.

***Celcius*** · 03-30-2006, 12:45 AM

So was 9/11 real or fake? ...

schnellsy · 03-30-2006, 01:38 AM

Well it must be a conpiracy. I mean afterall, Charlie Sheen was on the radio talking about how the planes that flew into the WTC didn't look like any jumbo jetliners he had ever been on. Also, Sheen said when the towers fell, they fell just a little too neatly, as if they had been done by those professionals who methodically blow up old "past their time" buildings (hence, Bush and his henchmen caused 9/11). So I'm sure Charlie Sheen is correct. Must be a conpiracy. Gotta be. And the presiding Solicitor General, in Sept. 2001, Ted Olsen, who's wife (Barbara Olsen) "allegedly" died on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon had to be part of the conspiracy since Ted Olsen was the lead attorney up before the Supreme Court which got Bush elected over Gore. Yes! After he got Bush "illegally" elected, the new corrupt White House got to work. Solicitor Olsen must have been oooh sooo pro Bush that he was willing to sacrifice his wife on the "supposed" plane that "allegedly" flew into the Pentagon. OR!! ,,,, His wife Barbara Olsen is in some kind of ummm hiding place. YES!! thats it!! They must have hidden her away somewhere comfy with loads of stock options in companies such as Halliburton and Starbucks!! OR is that it??? NOPE!! that's not what happened at all. What happened was, Barbara Olsen got the best cosmetic surgery could buy not only changing her appearance radically but also making her look 25 years younger. Involved in the surgery was work done on her vocal chords.. Thats right!! you guessed it!! Barbara Olsen did not die on the "alleged" plane that "suppossedly" flew into the Pentagon!! Barbara Olsen is in fact Kelli Pickler from American Idol!!

I know this to be true because I saw it on a website....

Kurt · 03-30-2006, 01:47 AM

charlie sheen has the answers... lolz.

**webby** · 03-30-2006, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnellsy

Well it must be a conpiracy. I mean afterall, Charlie Sheen was on the radio talking about how the planes that flew into the WTC didn't look like any jumbo jetliners he had ever been on. Also, Sheen said when the towers fell, they fell just a little too neatly, as if they had been done by those professionals who methodically blow up old "past their time" buildings (hence, Bush and his henchmen caused 9/11). So I'm sure Charlie Sheen is correct. Must be a conpiracy. Gotta be. And the presiding Solicitor General, in Sept. 2001, Ted Olsen, who's wife (Barbara Olsen) "allegedly" died on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon had to be part of the conspiracy since Ted Olsen was the lead attorney up before the Supreme Court which got Bush elected over Gore. Yes! After he got Bush "illegally" elected, the new corrupt White House got to work. Solicitor Olsen must have been oooh sooo pro Bush that he was willing to sacrifice his wife on the "supposed" plane that "allegedly" flew into the Pentagon. OR!! ,,,, His wife Barbara Olsen is in some kind of ummm hiding place. YES!! thats it!! They must have hidden her away somewhere comfy with loads of stock options in companies such as Halliburton and Starbucks!! OR is that it??? NOPE!! that's not what happened at all. What happened was, Barbara Olsen got the best cosmetic surgery could buy not only changing her appearance radically but also making her look 25 years younger. Involved in the surgery was work done on her vocal chords.. Thats right!! you guessed it!! Barbara Olsen did not die on the "alleged" plane that "suppossedly" flew into the Pentagon!! Barbara Olsen is in fact Kelli Pickler from American Idol!!

I know this to be true because I saw it on a website....

you would get along well with milkman. I'm surprised he hasn't commented on this thread yet.

***Rainman*** · 03-30-2006, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celcius

So was 9/11 real or fake? ...

Not to piss too many people off...
but go talk to the families that lost their loved ones on that day..ask them if it was real or fake.
So all the people that were in the plane that hit the pentagon, they never existed... come on.

sometimes, these theories make me laugh...

PayBack · 03-30-2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waross

It easy for Monday morning quarterbacks and a bunch of liberals to set back and criticize. Just remember it was Clinton that let Bin Laden go when we had him.

Careful now...

CLINTON let Bin Laden go? If I remember correctly, he authorized the assasinations of Bin Laden and his entire posse. But then the agencies charged with the dastardly deed went to court in order to fight its legality and the plan had to be shelved. Unfortunate.

And prior to 9/11, Bush had 44 different warnings of Al Qaeda's immenant threat to the U.S. In particular, he was provided intelligence about two Al Qaeda operatives who left overseas for a strategic (terrorist) meeting and then returned to L.A. Bush and company took no action. Those operatives ended up being two of the 9/11 hijackers. But who could have known the magnatude of what lay ahead? Bin Lauden himself was even surprised at how devastating the attacks turned out to be. Blame for 9/11 can't be assigned to any one man or administration. The terrorist threat 'ball' has been being dropped for YEARS.

*watched the video doc. -- Interesting.

***Rainman*** · 03-30-2006, 03:16 PM

blah...
I get pissed.
I heard Clinton dropped the ball.....
Whatever..

schnellsy · 03-30-2006, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

you would get along well with milkman. I'm surprised he hasn't commented on this thread yet.

Ummm no.. I'm lactose intolerant..

***Celcius*** · 03-30-2006, 08:28 PM

If you guys would've just voted for Vin Deisel instead of Bush, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

PayBack · 03-31-2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celcius

If you guys would've just voted for Vin Deisel instead of Bush, we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

lol...... Vin Deisel...

Course, maybe no worse than Dubya.

**twistedframe** · 03-31-2006, 09:03 AM

i dunno about you guys but i voted for chuck norris and his running mate mr.t
hus campaign was "if you disagree with me i'll roundhouse kick you in the back of the head!"

03-29-2006, 03:37 AM	#1 (permalink)
nick06ex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 179 iTrader: 0 / 0%	pentagon watch this video interesing theory..... think what you want i dont really have an opinion on it yet... http://www.freedomunderground.org/me...entagon121.swf

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j3hff Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: md Posts: 308 iTrader: 0 / 0%	http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...9%2F11&pl=true this one wins the medals man.. its the best watch this and youll turn democratic fo sho..

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nick06ex Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 179 iTrader: 0 / 0%	no one watched

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2fast4u2 Acorn! Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 13,979 8thcivic.com member #15 iTrader: 11 / 100%	Wow....I'm speechless!

03-29-2006, 08:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kabs Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Jersey Age: 22 Posts: 594 iTrader: 0 / 0%	oooh i watched...... and i believe it.. what got me about the pentagon was those 2 engines did no damage and didnt show up. they are made of titanium which melts at 1.7k C? and air fuel burns at 1k. And all the security videos were missing? BS Damn gov

03-29-2006, 09:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
skittleslegend Senior Member Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Stowe, Vermont Age: 23 Posts: 7,833 iTrader: 1 / 100%	My dad worked in the office across directly--and I do mean literally, directly--from impact. He retired from DOD in February and moved to an office on the other side of the building, but he frequently went back up there to get them print stuff for him and shoot the sh*t. The lone survivor of the office downstairs was a lady from my church. She said she'd just come from talking to one of the guys at the front of their office (she worked in the rear of the office) when the plane crashed through the door. Everyone died and she said she held her hands out, as most people do when something is coming at them and she prayed. The only injuries she sustained were 2nd degree burns on the palms of her hands. I don't care who you talk to; that's a blessing from God. I never knew why she wore casts on both her for arms. She had them on for almost a year. Then one Sunday she stood up and gave a testimony.

03-29-2006, 09:29 PM	#7 (permalink)
waross Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northwest Indiana Age: 44 Posts: 132 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Thanks Skittles.. So many are quikc to condem or draw conclusions. The pictures in this show were probably doctored as my wife threw in a video tape when all this was happening and when you go back and watch it you clearly see all the airplane parts and the damage and the fuel is what caused most everything to be totally destroyed. It easy for Monday morning quarterbacks and a bunch of liberals to set back and criticize. Just remember it was Clinton that let Bin Laden go when we had him.

03-29-2006, 10:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
ttheisen93 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: No Cal Age: 39 Posts: 103 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Its somewhat plausible, however I have some issues with some of the logic: Most airline crashes are more of a "skip a rock across the ground" kind of thing, not a "slam it into a bunker", and that's really what the Pentagon seems like. I've been there many a time and the sheer collosal-ness of the construction is awe inspiring. You can clearly see that each floor/ceiling is about three feet of reinforced concrete. That's a damn tough ass building. When it got hit, I knew the plane wouldn't get all the way to the center because that building is so robust. So I would think that's why there are no pieces bigger than a couple of feet across, because the energy conversion was such that the plane literally disintegrated. The comments about that guy's piloting skills were kind of pointless because the hard things about flying are: landing safely, flying while managing systems and crew members, making proper radio calls, and all of the things that come with legitimate piloting. Grabbing a plane already in flight and monkeying it into a building just aint that difficult. I would guess that almost everyone on this board could step into a simulator cold and do the same. I can coach family members on how to land a DC-10 in a sim 9 times out of 10, and that's much harder, and they all easily demonstrate enough skill to keep the plane in the air, push up the throttles, and aim at what I tell them to. Could there be a conspiracy? Sure. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor though to see why you may want to stick with the simple answer until more information comes out.

03-30-2006, 01:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
schnellsy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 165 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Well it must be a conpiracy. I mean afterall, Charlie Sheen was on the radio talking about how the planes that flew into the WTC didn't look like any jumbo jetliners he had ever been on. Also, Sheen said when the towers fell, they fell just a little too neatly, as if they had been done by those professionals who methodically blow up old "past their time" buildings (hence, Bush and his henchmen caused 9/11). So I'm sure Charlie Sheen is correct. Must be a conpiracy. Gotta be. And the presiding Solicitor General, in Sept. 2001, Ted Olsen, who's wife (Barbara Olsen) "allegedly" died on the plane that crashed into the Pentagon had to be part of the conspiracy since Ted Olsen was the lead attorney up before the Supreme Court which got Bush elected over Gore. Yes! After he got Bush "illegally" elected, the new corrupt White House got to work. Solicitor Olsen must have been oooh sooo pro Bush that he was willing to sacrifice his wife on the "supposed" plane that "allegedly" flew into the Pentagon. OR!! ,,,, His wife Barbara Olsen is in some kind of ummm hiding place. YES!! thats it!! They must have hidden her away somewhere comfy with loads of stock options in companies such as Halliburton and Starbucks!! OR is that it??? NOPE!! that's not what happened at all. What happened was, Barbara Olsen got the best cosmetic surgery could buy not only changing her appearance radically but also making her look 25 years younger. Involved in the surgery was work done on her vocal chords.. Thats right!! you guessed it!! Barbara Olsen did not die on the "alleged" plane that "suppossedly" flew into the Pentagon!! Barbara Olsen is in fact Kelli Pickler from American Idol!! I know this to be true because I saw it on a website....

03-30-2006, 01:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kurt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Age: 22 Posts: 3,705 iTrader: 2 / 100%	charlie sheen has the answers... lolz.

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*Rainman* El Presidente' Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 849 iTrader: 0 / 0%	blah... I get pissed. I heard Clinton dropped the ball..... Whatever..