Quit paying taxes

[tommyroo]

He did it and we can too.

IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability

[BLU BY U]

you go mr.lawyer man........1 law suit at a time you will make no difference in the world besides making your wallet fat

[jasonandre]

I have nothing witty to say about this. I'm so depressed.

[Cr8tive_leo]

Just think of the Back Tax Refund check.

[KB1IOQ]

It really is the truth what he's saying though, the income tax was implemented at a time when much of the public was far less educated than it is today, but many people just take it for granted because it exists.

Does this mean that I'm not going to pay my taxes? No, but I just think it's an interesting point that he's making, and I'm happy that he is standing for his position. That really is what a democracy is all about.

[MBK]

democracy is about fried chicken w/ some kind of good dipping sauce

[Cr8tive_leo]

M'eh, I've never paid the IRS any kind of money in my life.

[CaliGuy]

This is true. I've been told about this many times. I'm glad someone has the balls to take it tio trial. Most of us simply don't have the resources to fight the Feds...

Fact reamins though: Eliminate income tax and they will just raise other taxes. They should raise taxes on big buisness: Pharmaceutical Companies, Microsoft, etc...

[918civic]

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

This is true. I've been told about this many times. I'm glad someone has the balls to take it tio trial. Most of us simply don't have the resources to fight the Feds...

Fact reamins though: Eliminate income tax and they will just raise other taxes. They should raise taxes on big buisness: Pharmaceutical Companies, Microsoft, etc...

Raise the taxes on these businesses and you're just going to pay more for a new computer and medication.

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by 918civic

Raise the taxes on these businesses and you're just going to pay more for a new computer and medication.

I agree to an extent. If the govt regulated these industries it wouldn't be a problem. Fact is these huge companies take in obscene profits!

[weezer0321]

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

I agree to an extent. If the govt regulated these industries it wouldn't be a problem. Fact is these huge companies take in obscene profits!

If the government intervened it wouldn't be a problem?! Are you kidding me? If the government began regulating private companies (more than they do now) we would be inches away from a communist state by the government practically owning the means of production. The way to make things better in America is NOT to have more government.

If you want a good tax system, take a look at the Fair Tax
www.fairtax.org

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by weezer0321

If the government intervened it wouldn't be a problem?! Are you kidding me? If the government began regulating private companies (more than they do now) we would be inches away from a communist state by the government practically owning the means of production. The way to make things better in America is NOT to have more government.

If you want a good tax system, take a look at the Fair Tax
www.fairtax.org

I don't like big govt either, but these big companies just rape us for our $! There is certainly no easy answer...

I have a friend that works for a drug company and they literally have so much profit that they have to find ways to spend money! It's really crazy! Yet theit drugs are insanely priced.

[TampaSi07]

Here is some commentary from where the original article was posted. Unfortunately the articles that are claiming this case proves you don't have to pay income tax are simply leaving out a lot of the story:

Please allow me the opportunity to shine some light on the trust fund issue...

The writer's want of comprehension and the fact pattern laid out by Mr. Cryer caused the apparent confusion.

Let's note that the original two counts of 'tax evasion' were borne from a trust fund Mr. Cryer had set up for his wife. His wife passed away and the trust fund was liquidated........ at a loss.

The IRS manufactured its insidious indictment through the federal grand jury without ever showing the loss... trumping up its baseless and wanton attack of Mr. Cryer and his law practice.

The DOJ clearly recognized the perilous waters of proving evasion when there were clearly losses sustained in the trust fund... so, what does the DOJ do? Yep, they dropped the two counts of tax evasion (on the morning of the trial prior to jury selection) and mounted their offense on the lesser and included 'willful failure to file' charges.

The victory is easier to grasp and the threat to the great Oz appears when one simply pulls back the curtain and finds that the IRS's want of a liability provision in its rule book and U.S. Supreme Court rulings, which slapped down the IRS's "all that comes in is income" sham when standing together in the bright white light of a 12-0 Not Guilty verdict.

All that is left for the peasants to do is get up off all fours and stand erect for a change then visit www.truthattack.org and join in the campaign to demand that every elected public servant apply the laws properly and yank firmly on the IRS's chain.

Should enough people do this... we will take our great nation back from the money mob.

Sorry to burst the bubble.

[aki]

I think Libertarians and "Big Govt is Evil!!1" people are nuts, but this lawyer has a really good point.

It's not income, it's compensation. My hours, livelihood and energy is being exchanged for compensation. Wondering what kind of precedent this will set. Would love to not pay all these taxes, esp. since so much of it goes into crap that's bloated and inefficient.

[Skylinegtr06]

and the rich get richer, yeah let the bottom class do all the work for this country

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by aki

I think Libertarians and "Big Govt is Evil!!1" people are nuts, but this lawyer has a really good point.

It's not income, it's compensation. My hours, livelihood and energy is being exchanged for compensation. Wondering what kind of precedent this will set. Would love to not pay all these taxes, esp. since so much of it goes into crap that's bloated and inefficient.

I guess you missed the post right above yours outlining why this lawyer did not prove what the article claims. The charges he was acquitted from were different charges.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by Skylinegtr06

and the rich get richer, yeah let the bottom class do all the work for this country

LOL, and who would provide the jobs to the "bottom class" if not for the rich? It's so painfully obvious economics isn't taught in our schools anymore, yet you can learn all about *** latina african transgendered Islamic studies. If you haven't figured out that a free-market/private ownership solution is far better than the tragedy of the commons then you simply have not honestly looked at the issues.

[aki]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

I guess you missed the post right above yours outlining why this lawyer did not prove what the article claims. The charges he was acquitted from were different charges.

You didn't read the specifics carefully. From the quote you used:

The DOJ clearly recognized the perilous waters of proving evasion when there were clearly losses sustained in the trust fund... so, what does the DOJ do? Yep, they dropped the two counts of tax evasion (on the morning of the trial prior to jury selection) and mounted their offense on the lesser and included 'willful failure to file' charges.

The willful failure to file is with regards to the 1040 Concession Form. Tom didn't file the 1040 because he believed his labor was exempt from the income tax. It's the ruling on the "willful failure" part that establishes precedent for not paying income tax, not the other two counts with the trust fund.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by aki

You didn't read the specifics carefully. From the quote you used:

The DOJ clearly recognized the perilous waters of proving evasion when there were clearly losses sustained in the trust fund... so, what does the DOJ do? Yep, they dropped the two counts of tax evasion (on the morning of the trial prior to jury selection) and mounted their offense on the lesser and included 'willful failure to file' charges.

The willful failure to file is with regards to the 1040 Concession Form. Tom didn't file the 1040 because he believed his labor was exempt from the income tax. It's the ruling on the "willful failure" part that establishes precedent for not paying income tax, not the other two counts with the trust fund.

Again, you are missing the point. None of the charges stem from income through employment. The original charges stemmed from income on a trust (nothing to do with income via employment). When they knew they had no case because losses clearly were shown of the trust, they simply dropped the evasion charges and only went forward with the included failure to file which still goes back to the trust.

None of the charges have anything to do with not paying taxes on earned income through employment. What are you missing?

[weezer0321]

Originally Posted by Skylinegtr06

and the rich get richer, yeah let the bottom class do all the work for this country

Do all the work for this country? What do you mean? If you are talking literally, then how do you think that these people got their money? True, some is inherited, but money doesn't come from sitting on your ass. People with money know how to make money, to keep money, and to multiply money.

Secondly, we have a progressive tax system where if you make more money, you pay more taxes. The top 50% of the US pay 97% of the taxes. The top 25% paid 84%. The bottom class clearly isn't doing any work when it comes to taxes, so what do you mean?

The "rich get richer" line is tiresome and shows a lack of understanding of economics.