EPA Crack down on poluters!!!

[HondaScott]

It is about time:

http://www.fquick.com/blog/Caspers_E...led_by_the_EPA

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by HondaScott

It is about time:

http://www.fquick.com/blog/Caspers_E...led_by_the_EPA

Umm, why is it "about time?" These devices are sold as race or offroad only so to hold a manufacturer responsible is the height of government stupidity. It's like holding a baseball bat manufacturer responsible for murder because someone kills someone else with one. This is just another way for the government to effect a tax on the people under the global warming fear tactic. The right loves warfare and religion (and their profit Al Gore who has no scientific background whatsoever yet is now worth over $100 million with 3/4 of that money made in the last 4 years off the global warming scare) and left has welfare and it's own religion; global warming. Don't fall for it.

This will spell the end of all kinds of racing part so get them while you can.

(Welcome to the USSA, the United Socialist States of America.)

[Freq18hz]

wow that is uber ******...


This country makes me sick.

On the right side you have the Bush administration, paying scientists and forcing government officials to denounce green house gass/global warming theory. Then on the other hand, you have the EPA fining a company that makes a part that is intended for off road use only.

Why aren't handgun manufactures, who make a device intended only for killing other humans getting fined?

This country is off its ******* rocker.

-Freq

[BigMoney8481]

and its only going to get worse.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by Freq18hz

wow that is uber ******...


This country makes me sick.

On the right side you have the Bush administration, paying scientists and forcing government officials to denounce green house gass/global warming theory. Then on the other hand, you have the EPA fining a company that makes a part that is intended for off road use only.

Why aren't handgun manufactures, who make a device intended only for killing other humans getting fined?

This country is off its ******* rocker.

-Freq

Where there is money to be taken the government will find a way. In the meantime huge companies can just sell their "pollution" credits" to other companies totally defeating the purpose of a rationing system to begin with. It's simply retarded especially if you actually study the science (or lack of really) behind man made global warming theory. It really is the left's religion.

There are so many good analogies like the gun one you just made that I can see the beginning of the end for car modders in general. Oh well, time to get a '67 Camaro and convert it to full road race spec with basically a Corvette chassis underneath and not have to worry about emissions at all.

[si_civic]

Glad I live in Canada.
Home of the free.

[BigMoney8481]

When I have an education I should come and live next to you.

[halerazor]

they need to do away with the epa or they need to realize how the economy is right now with fuel prices. we need to change over to the european way of thinking when it comes to emissions. make cars that pollute a little bit more but get great fuel milage. lets say you take a civic diesel over in europe and a civic here in america. you put 10gal in each car the american civic goes 380mi and the diesel civic goes 650mi. both cars burnt 10gal of fuel. the american civic may have not polluted as much but it's going to need another 10gal to get the same milage as the diesel.

[blueroadster]

Blah blah blah...Cars today are very efficient in terms of emissions. The one area that the EPA continues to ignore that would reduce pollution at a greater level is trucks. Vehicles that are considered trucks (pickup trucks, SUVs, a bus, etc.) fall under a different standard from an emissions standpoint where they do not have to meet the the same stringent emissions requirements as cars. It would have more of a benefit to the environment if the EPA regulated trucks a little better. I'd bet that one bus billowing shitloads of black smog and crap produces more bad emissions than if each person riding the bus were to just drive their own car to work.

Don't get me wrong...I am a proponent of the use of public transportation to relieve traffic congestion, but you have to admit that many other forms of transportation today tend to release more crap into the air.

[HondaScott]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

Umm, why is it "about time?" These devices are sold as race or offroad only so to hold a manufacturer responsible is the height of government stupidity. It's like holding a baseball bat manufacturer responsible for murder because someone kills someone else with one. This is just another way for the government to effect a tax on the people under the global warming fear tactic. The right loves warfare and religion (and their profit Al Gore who has no scientific background whatsoever yet is now worth over $100 million with 3/4 of that money made in the last 4 years off the global warming scare) and left has welfare and it's own religion; global warming. Don't fall for it.

This will spell the end of all kinds of racing part so get them while you can.

(Welcome to the USSA, the United Socialist States of America.)

I do agree that the use of this product for off road use is completely acceptable BUT:

I bet 95% of the sales of O2 simulators go to people who have deleted there CAT's (in there daily driver) and are tired of getting a CEL. To me that is a selfish vehicle mod and I wish more states did emissions testing.

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by halerazor

they need to do away with the epa or they need to realize how the economy is right now with fuel prices. we need to change over to the european way of thinking when it comes to emissions. make cars that pollute a little bit more but get great fuel milage. lets say you take a civic diesel over in europe and a civic here in america. you put 10gal in each car the american civic goes 380mi and the diesel civic goes 650mi. both cars burnt 10gal of fuel. the american civic may have not polluted as much but it's going to need another 10gal to get the same milage as the diesel.

That is a good idea, but there is just one major difference...Driving distance. On average, the American driver drives much further to get to places than their European counterpart. Europe also has Smart cars which are very efficient however, you would not find me caught dead in one driving such a dinky and efficient car on the D.C. beltway packed full of multi-ton vehicles hauling butt. I think that the best change to this issue is if Americans paid as much for gas as people in other countries. That would create quite a riot at first for those driving gas guzzlers, but over time would change the publics choice to move to something more efficient.

[halerazor]

diesels don't produce carbon monoxide or any of the other ozone eaters gasoline engines produce. NOx and particulate matter(soot) are the only two pollutents the ultra low sulfer and exhaust filters have completly gotten rid of particulate matter and the new bluetec system will now eliminate the NOx emmisions so they will be alot cleaner than any gas engine.

[HondaScott]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

That is a good idea, but there is just one major difference...Driving distance. On average, the American driver drives much further to get to places than their European counterpart. Europe also has Smart cars which are very efficient however, you would not find me caught dead in one driving such a dinky and efficient car on the D.C. beltway packed full of multi-ton vehicles hauling butt. I think that the best change to this issue is if Americans paid as much for gas as people in other countries. That would create quite a riot at first for those driving gas guzzlers, but over time would change the publics choice to move to something more efficient.

And we will be laughing in our 30+ mpg civics! I'm all for gas price hiking. Gets more dangerous SUV's driven by soccer moms on cell phones off the road.

[HondaScott]

Originally Posted by halerazor

diesels don't produce carbon monoxide or any of the other ozone eaters gasoline engines produce. NOx and particulate matter(soot) are the only two pollutents the ultra low sulfer and exhaust filters have completly gotten rid of particulate matter and the new bluetec system will now eliminate the NOx emmisions so they will be alot cleaner than any gas engine.

They definitely do produce CO2.

[halerazor]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

That is a good idea, but there is just one major difference...Driving distance. On average, the American driver drives much further to get to places than their European counterpart. Europe also has Smart cars which are very efficient however, you would not find me caught dead in one driving such a dinky and efficient car on the D.C. beltway packed full of multi-ton vehicles hauling butt. I think that the best change to this issue is if Americans paid as much for gas as people in other countries. That would create quite a riot at first for those driving gas guzzlers, but over time would change the publics choice to move to something more efficient.

good point we need to find another fuel source besides oil and elect a president that has no ties in the oil business.the fuel prices are why i bought a civic and sold my dodge cummins diesel. i drive 50mi one way to work and it was costing me $130 a week vs $40 a week

[halerazor]

this was my old truck when i took it in to get the emissions check it barely registered on the scale. they said a diesel had never failed an emissions check. ohio did away with the emissions check now

http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l2...t=MOV02267.flv

[TampaSi07]

LOL, I can see how many people here have bought into the global warming scam. I can't even convince you guys CAI's are worthless so I am certainly not going to slam my head against a brick wall on this one.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by si_civic

Glad I live in Canada.
Home of the free.

Canada, home of socialized medicine (where the really sick need to come to America for treatment), ultra high tax rates, government censorship of "offensive materials." Would you really like to debate this?

[JaaronK]

Wow! Glad I bought my O2 sim from (one of our sponsors) to go along with my BCRH. My gas mileage is the same if not slightly better with the BCRH and my exhaust doesn't smell any worse than with my comptech (street legal) header/hf cat. "In my opinion" global warming is nothing more than a gimmick or a misunderstanding. Earth has been warming up and cooling down every so many years for it's lifetime. It's just what it does... There are bigger problems in the world today to worry about. Also, cows burp approximately 280 liters per cow per day of methane gas. Not to mention their environmentally toxic farts. Haha, funny but true. A single cow is probably worse for the environment than my cat-free 4 banger honda civic. Maybe we should just outlaw beef or put heavy restrictions on cattle. IDK... Maybe automakers should make a fully electric engine or alternative. Diesels are also a good choice since they get much better mileage than a gas engine and are much improved today than they were in the past. Also do u know how much energy is used to make an automobile hybrid battery like the ones in the toyota prius for an example... Do a google search and you'll be amazed at how much "greenhouse gasses" are emitted into our atmosphere from the production of a hybrid battery. Even the energy requirements of producing ethanol (which is added to low grade gas) is ridiculously high. Oh and one more thing, those that say that the climate is warmer on average than it was 100 years ago

[HondaScott]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

Canada, home of socialized medicine (where the really sick need to come to America for treatment), ultra high tax rates, government censorship of "offensive materials." Would you really like to debate this?

I don't know what you've been seeing on the CNN news channel, but Canada has an amazing health care system. Speaking of government censorship, have you watched the news lately?

People are treated in the order of severity of there condition. Money should not buy you a quick fix for your tennis elbow when somebody that doesn't have any is in dire need of medical attention. I don't want to get into this, but you brought it into this forum so I think we should leave it alone.