EPA Crack down on poluters!!!

[HondaScott]

Originally Posted by JaaronK

Wow! Glad I bought my O2 sim from (one of our sponsors) to go along with my BCRH. My gas mileage is the same if not slightly better with the BCRH and my exhaust doesn't smell any worse than with my comptech (street legal) header/hf cat. "In my opinion" global warming is nothing more than a gimmick or a misunderstanding. Earth has been warming up and cooling down every so many years for it's lifetime. It's just what it does... There are bigger problems in the world today to worry about. Also, cows burp approximately 280 liters per cow per day of methane gas. Not to mention their environmentally toxic farts. Haha, funny but true. A single cow is probably worse for the environment than my cat-free 4 banger honda civic. Maybe we should just outlaw beef or put heavy restrictions on cattle. IDK... Maybe automakers should make a fully electric engine or alternative. Diesels are also a good choice since they get much better mileage than a gas engine and are much improved today than they were in the past. Also do u know how much energy is used to make an automobile hybrid battery like the ones in the toyota prius for an example... Do a google search and you'll be amazed at how much "greenhouse gasses" are emitted into our atmosphere from the production of a hybrid battery. Even the energy requirements of producing ethanol (which is added to low grade gas) is ridiculous.

I agree, there is no easy way to get energy. That is why a drive a smaller sized car, car pool when I can, and bike when I can. The easiest way to save gas is to drive less.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by HondaScott

I don't know what you've been seeing on the CNN news channel, but Canada has an amazing health care system. Speaking of government censorship, have you watched the news lately?

People are treated in the order of severity of there condition. Money should not buy you a quick fix for your tennis elbow when somebody that doesn't have any is in dire need of medical attention. I don't want to get into this, but you brought it into this forum so I think we should leave it alone.

Yes comrade.

"To each according to their need and from each according to their ability."
Karl Marx

Canada has an amazing health care system?? LMFAO!!! "What's that sir, you are 60 and you have cancer? Well, you have lived a good life." Just happened to my best friend's father and he isn't close to being the only one. Now he is here and doing well. Canada can't even get their good doctors to stay there. They are all here. So what you are left with are the worst of the worst. Yup, socialism works! <-Sarcasm

Let me guess, you are about twenty what and you go to what college (liberal bastion)?

"If you are young and conservative you have no heart and if you are old and liberal you have no brain."
Winston Churchill

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by halerazor

good point we need to find another fuel source besides oil and elect a president that has no ties in the oil business.the fuel prices are why i bought a civic and sold my dodge cummins diesel. i drive 50mi one way to work and it was costing me $130 a week vs $40 a week

The technology is already there. The only problem is that the American public is not willing to pay more than the very conservative prices that we have been use to. Fuel can be extracted from corn, shells and other forms. The only problem is that extracting the usable fuel in a refinery is more expensive than just using oil to begin with. E85 is the latest buzz, but is already driving up the cost of corn and will continue to do so as long as the public thinks that this is a "cheaper" alternative.

[blackpearl06]

GG comparing canada to a bunch of socialists/communists. Gunna start a ******* riot here......

You do realize your car is largely produced in canada, right? lol

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

The technology is already there. The only problem is that the American public is not willing to pay more than the very conservative prices that we have been use to. Fuel can be extracted from corn, shells and other forms. The only problem is that extracting the usable fuel in a refinery is more expensive than just using oil to begin with. E85 is the latest buzz, but is already driving up the cost of corn and will continue to do so as long as the public thinks that this is a "cheaper" alternative.

The government subsidizes corn farming already so you will end up paying tax upon tax. This is how the government tricks you into thinking you are paying less when you are actually paying more when you ad up the total out of pocket cost.

As oil heads towards $100 a barrel then the technology to extract oil from shale will become viable and just luckily enough we have the biggest shale oil reserve in the world, far greater than any other oil reserve out there. Try as people might you can't change the simple laws of economics. Every country that has tried has failed or is failing. The only thing that will push us to develop these technologies are demand which will be created by higher oil prices. The trouble is when gas is expensive, everyone starts crying for the oil companies heads because somehow people believe they are entitled to cheap fuel. You can't have your cake and eat it too people.

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

LOL, I can see how many people here have bought into the global warming scam. I can't even convince you guys CAI's are worthless so I am certainly not going to slam my head against a brick wall on this one.

I'm not an activist by any sort, but global warming can be attributed to many things other than just CO2 emissions and deforestation. Every little thing we do has an impact on the balance of nature.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

I'm not an activist by any sort, but global warming can be attributed to many things other than just CO2 emissions and deforestation. Every little thing we do has an impact on the balance of nature.

The only people that believe in man made global warming are those without a background in science and those with a vested interest ($$$$) in it. To think man could even change the overall climate for the better or even to think we really know what "for the better" is in the long run is ridiculous. Just ask those that destroyed Yellowstone when they tried to "preserve it" or just ask all the people that could be farming deserts if the climate was slightly warmer but we have decided we should attempt to starve them in our infinite wisdom.

That's all I am going to say about it here. I learned my lesson with the CAI argument. If people can't wrap their minds around that simple bit of science I certainly am not going to kill myself on this one. This site is mainly composed of the prime demographic to extract the most money out of global warming fears. Looks to me like it's working great.

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

The government subsidizes corn farming already so you will end up paying tax upon tax. This is how the government tricks you into thinking you are paying less when you are actually paying more when you ad up the total out of pocket cost.

As oil heads towards $100 a barrel then the technology to extract oil from shale will become viable and just luckily enough we have the biggest shale oil reserve in the world, far greater than any other oil reserve out there. Try as people might you can't change the simple laws of economics. Every country that has tried has failed or is failing. The only thing that will push us to develop these technologies are demand which will be created by higher oil prices. The trouble is when gas is expensive, everyone starts crying for the oil companies heads because somehow people believe they are entitled to cheap fuel. You can't have your cake and eat it too people.

I agree with every point stated. It is nice to chat with someone that understands what is happening.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

I agree with every point stated. It is nice to chat with someone that understands what is happening.

I wasn't about to try and explain what a "fungible" commodity was. All I know is the lack of understanding of basic economic principles is alarming and the fact is governments count on this lack of understanding. It's not a coincidence the government also controls the education system that doesn't provide these basic principles as mandatory education, but instead teaches *** black latino women's studies.

[cation]

Originally Posted by JaaronK

IDK... Maybe automakers should make a fully electric engine or alternative.

It's been done...

Watch the documentary movie "Who Killed the Electric Car?"

It's about the GM EV1 and other full electric cars and how they never made it because of the ignorant American consumer, Government, Oil Industry, and Automakers...

...bottom line... IT WASN'T PROFITABLE!!!

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

I wasn't about to try and explain what a "fungible" commodity was. All I know is the lack of understanding of basic economic principles is alarming and the fact is governments count on this lack of understanding. It's not a coincidence the government also controls the education system that doesn't provide these basic principles as mandatory education, but instead teaches *** black latino women's studies.

I know what you mean. My wife is a teacher and I am fully aware of the problems in the educational system.

[sickyute]

that's the most bullshit i've seen in a while!!!
This government/country is going nuts if this stands ...
and if it does stand, u can call most aftermarket parts gone!!

so i sell an o2 sim for off road use only with as many warnings as possible but i'm held accountable instead of the buyer? ...

then guns should be gone, race headers will be gone, etc etc etc ... soon u won't be able to breathe if u have bad breath ...

this is crazy

[sickyute]

US has one of the worst public education systems in the world ... especially when compared to the british system ...

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by sickyute

US has one of the worst public education systems in the world ... especially when compared to the british system ...

My wife and I spend more on purchasing things to help the kids and the school system than any other investment, charity, or expense. Teacher pay scales are pathetic, but the support that they are provided is even more pathetic.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by sickyute

that's the most bullshit i've seen in a while!!!
This government/country is going nuts if this stands ...
and if it does stand, u can call most aftermarket parts gone!!

so i sell an o2 sim for off road use only with as many warnings as possible but i'm held accountable instead of the buyer? ...

then guns should be gone, race headers will be gone, etc etc etc ... soon u won't be able to breathe if u have bad breath ...

this is crazy

Basically what you have here is a case of government extortion. If you notice it was a "settlement" meaning it never went to court. The business owner simply made a pragmatic decision because $75K plus buy-backs is sure to be a hell of a lot less than fighting the government and winning. If you fight and win, you still have lost financially and the government knows this so they "settle." Worse yet, even if you win you can't collect any damages from the government even though this is a blatant civil rights violation IMHO. I just can't wait until the government screws with the wrong person and this goes all the way to the SCOTUS. The sad thing is the government fights you with your own money and they have unlimited funds. It's an unfair fight right from the start.

At least the mafia makes no pretenses about what they do.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by sickyute

US has one of the worst public education systems in the world ... especially when compared to the british system ...

The US system is horrible, but to say that the Brit system is better is laughable. There is a reason why socialism is a lot more rampant in Europe than it is here.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

My wife and I spend more on purchasing things to help the kids and the school system than any other investment, charity, or expense. Teacher pay scales are pathetic, but the support that they are provided is even more pathetic.

That's what you get in a public system where there is no accountability and people are promoted/paid more on seniority vs merit. The worst teacher makes exactly the same as the best teacher so there is no incentive to do anything beyond the bare minimum. Sure some will still do a great job, but they are the exceptions vs the rule. That's the farce of the unions and their entitlement mentality.

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by TampaSi07

The US system is horrible, but to say that the Brit system is better is laughable. There is a reason why socialism is a lot more rampant in Europe than it is here.

the british system of education is held as one of the highest and best around the world ...
most other coutries use the british system as a model for their education system ... australians, canadians, etc etc ... all basically coming out of the british system of education ... most just implemented differently ...

sometimes i wonder what's being taught to the kids here when i speak to them and they don't know some of the simplest things ... i always wonder ... it's just really strange talking to them and they can't answer the simplest things ... sometimes even older people amaze me cuz of what they don't know ...

this is a topic for the water cooler though ... back on track peoples ...

epa is what? etc etc

[TampaSi07]

My friend just started a great talk/off-topic dedicated forum. If you are interested in these type of issues and want to talk to a great bunch of well-educated guys (doctors, lawyers, PhD's etc) you might want to check it out.

www.justput.com/forum

At least here you can get a Constitutionalist/Libertarian point of view. This is the philosophy our country was founded upon instead of the right/left wing views you are constantly conned into believing are your only choices.

[TampaSi07]

Originally Posted by sickyute

the british system of education is held as one of the highest and best around the world ...
most other coutries use the british system as a model for their education system ... australians, canadians, etc etc ... all basically coming out of the british system of education ... most just implemented differently ...

Evidence please? Citing other socialist countries that rely on the might of the US military (meaning they rely on us for defense and feed that money into their failing social programs instead) to keep all their socialist programs afloat is hardly convincing.

sometimes i wonder what's being taught to the kids here when i speak to them and they don't know some of the simplest things ... i always wonder ... it's just really strange talking to them and they can't answer the simplest things ... sometimes even older people amaze me cuz of what they don't know ...

I agree.