Bush: I'm worried by message sent by failed port deal

[CameronJr9]

First, read this.

I'm not a political person, but I've watched through 1.5 terms as this doofus has screwed up time and time again. I'm finally just so irritated that I thought I'd tell someone. You guys (and gals) are the lucky few.

My comments: Why did Bush outsource America's "National Security" to some non-American company in the first place. Not that we can't trust the UAE, but it seems to me that we would want to rely on American jobs and American people to provide us so-called security.

Before your rebuttal: Please don't take the "American people" comment as a cultural slur of any kind. When I say American, I mean just that; American citizens, irregardless of ethnicity.

[Skyline]

Originally Posted by CameronJr9

First, read this.

I'm not a political person, but I've watched through 1.5 terms as this doofus has screwed up time and time again. I'm finally just so irritated that I thought I'd tell someone. You guys (and gals) are the lucky few.

My comments: Why did Bush outsource America's "National Security" to some non-American company in the first place. Not that we can't trust the UAE, but it seems to me that we would want to rely on American jobs and American people to provide us so-called security.

Before your rebuttal: Please don't take the "American people" comment as a cultural slur of any kind. When I say American, I mean just that; American citizens, irregardless of ethnicity.

I'm a VERY unpolitical person so take anything I say with a grain of salt...

Wasn't it true, though, that the UAE wouldn't have had anything to do with security of the ports had they gotten the deal?

I heard on NPR yesterday (and they are always quick to criticize Bush for everything) that the public had been mislead about the deal and that the Dubai company would have actually played only a minor role into the day-to-day operations. It was just that the critics were so adament about getting their message into the media and that filtered into the public.

In principal, though, I agree with you...it would make sense for Americans to control American ports.

P.S. Knowing that you sometimes teach college-level English makes me very nervous when replying to you

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by Skyline

I'm a VERY unpolitical person so take anything I say with a grain of salt...

Wasn't it true, though, that the UAE wouldn't have had anything to do with security of the ports had they gotten the deal?

I heard on NPR yesterday (and they are always quick to criticize Bush for everything) that the public had been mislead about the deal and that the Dubai company would have actually played only a minor role into the day-to-day operations. It was just that the critics were so adament about getting their message into the media and that filtered into the public.

In principal, though, I agree with you...it would make sense for Americans to control American ports.

P.S. Knowing that you sometimes teach college-level English makes me very nervous when replying to you

Skyline, great response! Believe me, I'm not political either. I just thought this might bring some good discussion. So far so good.

P.S. Don't worry. You're not getting graded.

[audibleforce]

I myself was surprised to hear that the deal didnt go through. Although the UEA was not going to control security at our US ports it would have made that much easier for them to bring terrorists and/or weapons to our shores. There is always a weak link the security system that can be paid off for their silence so wouldnt have doubted that our security would have been breached at some point. I believe 2 or 3 terrorists that were involved in 9/11 were being paid by the UEA and the UEA is also known about having relations in the past with Al Queda. Seems like the system worked for once.

[Skyline]

Originally Posted by audibleforce

I myself was surprised to hear that the deal didnt go through. Although the UEA was not going to control security at our US ports it would have made that much easier for them to bring terrorists and/or weapons to our shores. There is always a weak link the security system that can be paid off for their silence so wouldnt have doubted that our security would have been breached at some point. I believe 2 or 3 terrorists that were involved in 9/11 were being paid by the UEA and the UEA is also known about having relations in the past with Al Queda. Seems like the system worked for once.

It's true that there are past connections, but they have supposedly broken all ties with terrorist groups, and are now one of our strongest allies against terrorism. Note the word "supposedly".

[skittleslegend]

Personally, I wish Bush and his administration should stop calling it a war on terror. They're feeding the American people a pipe dream, especially with frustration growing over the whole "war" because their sons and daughters are either dying or coming back home with dementia and other assorted psychological problems. What Bush's really trying to do is establish democracy in a country that is dead-locked about the whole ordeal. You can't just go into somebody's house one day and decide, 'you know what, I don't like your curtains, so I'm going to change them.' I don't think there will ever be a political utopia, but it hasn't stopped them from trying to create it. And to think, this entire thing could've been avoided. What would it have been like if America hadn't turned its back on the Afghanies during their war with Russia? Would things have changed? Would we have to constantly deal with reports of threats against this once great nation? Maybe, maybe not, but I think this deal would've gone through. Honestly, I think they should've given it to them. Part of me wants to think them not getting the port is a good thing. But another part of me thinks it sends the message that "we don't trust you people and you're all terrorists that we've gotta keep the port away from". That's probably an overexaggeration but I'm sure if I thought it, those countries that are back and forth about their feelings for the United States could probably think it to. In a way, I wish this was a win-win for everyone. Now I see it as a possible lose-lose.

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

Personally, I wish Bush and his administration should stop calling it a war on terror. They're feeding the American people a pipe dream, especially with frustration growing over the whole "war" because their sons and daughters are either dying or coming back home with dementia and other assorted psychological problems. What Bush's really trying to do is establish democracy in a country that is dead-locked about the whole ordeal. You can't just go into somebody's house one day and decide, 'you know what, I don't like your curtains, so I'm going to change them.'

Once again, you beat me to it. Exactly my thoughts. Bush continuously says we will "win the war on terror." There is no way to win the "war" on terror. It's like trying to win the "war on drugs." There is nothing to win. Sure, we can go nuke all of the middle east, throw all the middle eastern people in the world into giant boilers, and delete all historic information and knowledge that there ever was a middle east, and you'll still have the Timothy McVeighs and Ted Kaczynskis of the world.
In fact, the only reason we're in Iraq right now is because George Spoiled Bush is upset that Sadaam tried to kill his daddy. But, that's a different story all together, and way off topic of the failed port deal.

:rolleyes: I roll my eyes at you Mr. President!

[audibleforce]

Originally Posted by Skyline

It's true that there are past connections, but they have supposedly broken all ties with terrorist groups, and are now one of our strongest allies against terrorism. Note the word "supposedly".

I dont even know why they would consider a company that had any ties with terrorist organizations. Iraq was never a threat to the United States and all of the administration knew that, but it was a gateway for Bush to put military presence in that area. It really was a strategic war against Iraq because now that Iran is planning on starting a nuclear program the US now has quick access to Iran just incase things get heated and now Pakistan wants to start a nuclear program which the US is condoning which makes the US look even more like hypocrites. Really, Afghanistan is not an important factor anymore because who really believes that Osama is still in Afghanistan, that's if he is even still alive (he does have a terminal disease). They probably just put out old tapes of Osama and tell the American public that he's still alive. Let's face it, it's all about the money. Our soldiers, families and friends are dying for no reason except for money, greed, and oil (what happened to the cheaper gas prices??). Sorry for my rambling, but after my friend was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq I really started reading on this so called "War on Terrorism".

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by audibleforce

Sorry for my rambling, but after my friend was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq I really started reading on this so called "War on Terrorism".

Our hearts go out to you. One of my roommates was in Kuwait for six months, now my other roommate's brother is in Iraq. It just seems like so much effort is being put into this war for no reason. I don't go a day without reading the headline "More killed in Iraq." I'm constantly e-mailing my buddy just so he has a reminder of home and to make sure he wasn't a casualty.

You also spoke of hypocrisy. It's totally unrelated, but have you seen Lord of War? It has some statistics about the top weapons dealers in the world. Startling to look at. Kinda reminds me of this whole "it's not about oil" thing.

[audibleforce]

Thank you Cameron. I heard about 'Lord of War' numerous times but I've never seen it. I think im going to pick this movie up tonight.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by audibleforce

I dont even know why they would consider a company that had any ties with terrorist organizations. Iraq was never a threat to the United States and all of the administration knew that, but it was a gateway for Bush to put military presence in that area. It really was a strategic war against Iraq because now that Iran is planning on starting a nuclear program the US now has quick access to Iran just incase things get heated and now Pakistan wants to start a nuclear program which the US is condoning which makes the US look even more like hypocrites. Really, Afghanistan is not an important factor anymore because who really believes that Osama is still in Afghanistan, that's if he is even still alive (he does have a terminal disease). They probably just put out old tapes of Osama and tell the American public that he's still alive. Let's face it, it's all about the money. Our soldiers, families and friends are dying for no reason except for money, greed, and oil (what happened to the cheaper gas prices??). Sorry for my rambling, but after my friend was killed in a helicopter crash in Iraq I really started reading on this so called "War on Terrorism".

It's funny how Bush now is hard-pressed to get allies. He tried before, then said "screw it, we'll do it ourselves", and now realizes that we really do need the help. But the way he's played the game, who in that region would we honestly consider an ally? With the rejection of the port deal, no other country really has any reason to consider a position on our side, as far as mutual business goes. Maybe there's something we don't know, but from what I've read over the past few years, what other skeletons does the administration have to hide in their closet? Everything's pretty much been exposed, if not by Michael Moore (say what you want about him), or by the rest of the media. I'm not totally against Bush or whatever, but IMHO, this is beginning to shape up to be Cold War redux. The only difference between Bush's administration and JFK's administration is, these idiots are actually capable of pushing the button...


And New Orleans STILL isn't getting the government's help. That pisses me off to the third degree.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by audibleforce

Thank you Cameron. I heard about 'Lord of War' numerous times but I've never seen it. I think im going to pick this movie up tonight.

I watched it a few weeks ago. One of the best movies I've seen in a long time. Very informative.

Also, condolescences to you, your friend and his family. I know what that's like and it's not a great feeling at all.

[audibleforce]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

It's funny how Bush now is hard-pressed to get allies. He tried before, then said "screw it, we'll do it ourselves", and now realizes that we really do need the help. But the way he's played the game, who in that region would we honestly consider an ally? With the rejection of the port deal, no other country really has any reason to consider a position on our side, as far as mutual business goes. Maybe there's something we don't know, but from what I've read over the past few years, what other skeletons does the administration have to hide in their closet? Everything's pretty much been exposed, if not by Michael Moore (say what you want about him), or by the rest of the media. I'm not totally against Bush or whatever, but IMHO, this is beginning to shape up to be Cold War redux. The only difference between Bush's administration and JFK's administration is, these idiots are actually capable of pushing the button...


And New Orleans STILL isn't getting the government's help. That pisses me off to the third degree.

Thanks Skittles. I completely agree with you. I would rather go through another Cold War than to go through what we are going through right now because at least in the cold war we knew who our enemy was. It is impossible to stop terrorism like Cameron said because they can be from the middle east, africa, or you next door neighbor. I think im going socialist on the next elections. Who know's, maybe Ralph Nader will legalize weed...hehehe.

[CameronJr9]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

And New Orleans STILL isn't getting the government's help. That pisses me off to the third degree.

Well, all of our National Guards are in the middle east. Kinda funny (in a completely, terribly sad way) the differences in relief after a human attack on our soil vs. mother nature's attack on our soil...

[CameronJr9]

Pearl Jam - World Wide Suicide

Here's an excerpt of Pearl Jam's newest single. Kinda speaks to what we're saying on here...

You can listen to the song on myspace.

It's a shame to awake in a world of pain
What does it mean when a war has taken over
It's the same everyday in a hell manmade
What can be saved, and who will be left to hold her?

The whole world...World over.
It's a worldwide suicide.

Medals on a wooden mantle. Next to a handsome face.
That the president took for granted.
Writing checks that others pay.
And in all the madness. Thought becomes numb and naive.
So much to talk about. Nothing for to say.

It's the same everyday and the wave won't break
Tell you to pray, while the devils on their shoulder
Laying claim to the take that our soldiers save
Does not equate, and the truth's already out there

The whole world... World over.
It's a worldwide suicide.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by audibleforce

Thanks Skittles. I completely agree with you. I would rather go through another Cold War than to go through what we are going through right now because at least in the cold war we knew who our enemy was. It is impossible to stop terrorism like Cameron said because they can be from the middle east, africa, or you next door neighbor. I think im going socialist on the next elections. Who know's, maybe Ralph Nader will legalize weed...hehehe.

lmao...hopefully. I think if John McCain ran, I'd have to vote for him. I was watching the news this morning and there are a lot of Republicans doing their thing down south today. I dunno if I trust the minds of the Republican candidates at this point, but we'll see.

I agree with everything said about terrorism. They (rich corporate white guys) define terrorism with a middle eastern face. But what about the Columbine kids? What about Timothy McVeigh? All faces of terror. You can't completely eradicate it. It's like the asians believe...Yin and Yang. You can't completely destroy evil because good cannot survive without. To destroy both would be the end of life completely. That's what I meant by pipe dream. A lot of the uber-hardcore patriotic Americans just don't get it.

[Celcius]

Hey guys. Is it too late to join in on the bush haters thread or am I just in time?

[CameronJr9]

It's never too late. But I'd like to see some Bush supporters on this thread as well. You can't have a truely great discussion unless you hear from both sides of the argument.

[skittleslegend]

I'm not really a BUSH hater. I don't personally know him enough to hate him. I do hate the way the dude THINKS, however. Just me though.