Scariest experience

[SIcBoy]

somone post a pic i wanne see waht it looks like

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by SIcBoy

somone post a pic i wanne see waht it looks like

Just search for it...Or go to erowid.org and look at the Salvia link...more info and pics than you ever wanted...

[mdenning]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia

[SIcBoy]

Originally Posted by mdenning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia

that stuff grows in my back yard, j/k
thanks for the link

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by SIcBoy

that stuff grows in my back yard, j/k
thanks for the link

It used to grow in mine! lol

[mdenning]

would be a nice plant to have around for the occasional fun times

[aria3]

i tried 20x salvia the other day....and all i can say is....omg....like wtf. everything got really really hot all of a sudden and i took my shirt off and i was in my car and my l.e.d's inside were flashing and i kept reaching for my keys but i couldn't and i just kept repeating my self like 20 times reaching for my keys inside of the keyhole to take them out because the music was driving me crazy and something was stopping me that i couldn't control, and i was mumbling crazy stuff and drooling and shit, all i can say is, take it at your own risk. it's crazy shit. i don't think i'm ever gonna do it again, but i probably will. oh. and i love weed. hahah.

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by aria3

i tried 20x salvia the other day....and all i can say is....omg....like wtf. everything got really really hot all of a sudden and i took my shirt off and i was in my car and my l.e.d's inside were flashing and i kept reaching for my keys but i couldn't and i just kept repeating my self like 20 times reaching for my keys inside of the keyhole to take them out because the music was driving me crazy and something was stopping me that i couldn't control, and i was mumbling crazy stuff and drooling and shit, all i can say is, take it at your own risk. it's crazy shit. i don't think i'm ever gonna do it again, but i probably will. oh. and i love weed. hahah.

Yeah, I've done some pretty strong salvia that had me doing about the same thing.. I would never do it anywhere near a car though.. just a precautionary measure. You can get the stuff up to 100x extract, but I think the highest I've personally seen was 50x at an epothicary(sp) that was close to UTA. That was also the place that I picked up the Hawiian Baby Woodrose seeds. Which leads me to this:

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

Guys/gals: Please be very careful with "legal drugs"! Many are dangerous/deadly! Salvia is not one of those, but don;t think because it's legal that it wont f**k you up! I recommend reading "Legal Highs" for good information...

BCJ mentioned "Datura"---This stuff can be deadly for example!

This is a good warning. Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds can also be lethal if not taken properly. You are actually supposed to be a certain amount of them and make a very very mild hallucenagenic tea out of them. The owner of the epothicary warned me by saying that they shell on the seed was actually arsenic, and it will make you very sick. A few friends of mine and I got together one night and took about an hour just shaving the shell off of the seeds that we were going to eat, and my girl didn't get hers cleaned well enough.
About an hour after ingestion she was tripping and started to feel very sick. She ended up violently throwing up all night long and I vowed after that to never touch them again.

If you want to read about H.B.woodrose seeds go here:
http://erowid.org/plants/hbw/hbw.shtml

It's another one of those fantastic herbal/natural alternatives to the terrible man made stuff that's out there. Acid is fun (so people tell me, I've taken many many hits of acid and never felt a thing) but it's also dirty.. this is a clean an natural alternative to that.
Acid = LSD
H.B. Woodrose = LSA

BTW, repped caliguy for the advice to always read about the drugs that you are thinking about doing. I was led to erowid.org a long time ago when I was taking many pills a night (ecstacy) and there was another site that had a list of what was in each pill and which ones to avoid.. The one time that I didn't listen to that site I had a horrible roll and it actually caused my cousin permenant damage. He now has alzheimers and has hell living a normal life.

Almost all drugs out there are dangerous to some extent, but some think that the good outweighs the bad. The only drugs that I've found this to be true with are pot and mushrooms. Pot has no bad long term effects on the brain and actually improves your chances of fighting off alzheimers as you age, as well as all the other awesome medicinal effects it has.. not to mention as a recreational drug it's the best, hands down.

Mushrooms (hydroponic) are just awesome.. seriously. I'll never tell someone that they need to go out and try good mushrooms, but if someone calls me and says "Tonight I'm either going to do mushrooms or acid, which one do you think I should do?" I always tell them mushrooms.. and have yet to have one person come back and complain, especially after doing both. Mushrooms are natural and clean, and as long as you're in an environment that you are 100% comfortable in it can be a down right amazing experience.

/rant, lol

[Nepenthe]

Originally Posted by MBK

drugs are like a spider's web

You mean, beautiful, intricate, never the same twice, and robust enough to endure for a while?

[Nepenthe]

Originally Posted by Gr3y Goose

i appreciate everyones responses...everyone was very informative...
now what i dont understand is how the salvia is 100% legal, and weed isnt...

Weed is illegal for a variety of reasons that have little to do with its effects.

As for Salvia: Virtually harmless physical effects, non-addicting, extremely short-lived effects, low cash crop potential, potential medical uses, little or no competition with established legal recreational drugs (i.e. booze) and 80% of people who have a breakthrough experience with it resolve never to try it again. Even so, plans are afoot by the DEA to make criminals out of Salvia possessors.

Check here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_s...lvia_divinorum

Note that Salvia may be illegal or controlled in your state. In my state, I'm currently watching the debate. It looks like a reasonable step has been taken. Instead of putting Salvia in the same category as Cocaine (WTF??), it looks like its sale to minors is going to prohibited. I'm glad. I'll post the letter I sent to my Congressman about it if I can find it.

[Freq18hz]

you think salvia is bad, try smoking some DMT.

-Freq

[Freq18hz]

Originally Posted by Nepenthe

Good grief. Maybe you should have read up a little (or a lot!) before just out of the blue deciding to take what is arguably the strongest psychoactive substance known to man!!

Salvia must be respected. It's not a "recreational high," nor do I think it's something you ought to take lightly, nor is it something you should do with any kinds of distractions.

I'm sure Salvia will be highly demonized in this thread. But moreso than virtually any other substance, Salvia is something you've got to be in the right set and setting for and something you need to know about before deciding to try it. It's like your buddy bringing over his R1 and asking you if you want to try it, even though you've never ridden any motorcycle and have no training and no riding gear and no respect and barely know how to shift or countersteer. Then you crash and break open your leg and scrape 40% of your skin off and blame the R1.

I have to blame your buddy here too... I would NEVER let anyone try Salvia unless I was fully satisfied that they understood several important points about it.

DMT is a step up on the severity chain. Both of these drugs aren't for casual encounters. I personally don't see the draw to them...


-Freq

[CaliGuy]

Originally Posted by Freq18hz

DMT is a step up on the severity chain. Both of these drugs aren't for casual encounters. I personally don't see the draw to them...


-Freq

Ya, I mentioned DMT above...It is the ultimate in psychoactives! I will never do it again...

[Nepenthe]

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

I apparently have a high tolerance for the stuff. I can still control myself and thoughts (to some extent) even after smoking a full load of 20x...I will concede that it is more powerful that LSD or shrooms (however very short lasted). The only think I've had that was stronger was DMT...

DMT is a visual orgasm.

Salvia has reverse tolerance, but I think it affects some strongly and others more lightly as a rule. I've had Salvia take me to the 9th Dimension on several occasions. I became a school of fish one time. Once I was swinging on a pendulum and every time I swung to the left I'd get a strong sense of existing within a bluish oil painting of my family and I on a foggy sea dock near a fishing boat on vacation, which would fade as I swung back to the right. One time I played "The Micro Disneycal World Tour" by Cornelius on headphones and smoked and suddenly the music became this killing joke consisting of hundreds of little blue and red "poppers," little sinister guys jumping and hitting my skin in rhythm, ripping me apart. I've been on a 10 foot wheel rolling around on a Lego backyard. I've been back on a pixelated version of my childhood block, realizing that life is much more serious than I thought and whatever I had been doing was some idiotic dream. One time I became this sort of orange gear or wheel in the sky with spines which turned at different speeds and I could feel their rotation painfully. There's a new Ford commercial with a bunch of Mustangs viewed from overhead in formation, two by twos, and everytime I see it I get a fleeting flashback to Salvia, I know I've seen a world that was made up of moving beads or jelly beans that looked just like that Mustang (sometimes it's hard to recall).

[Nepenthe]

Originally Posted by mdenning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia

Much better link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

[Nepenthe]

Here's the letter I wrote to my Congressman. A little embellishment here and there perhaps... A couple things, like my comments about the sitter, are in response to Estes' original statements about his Bill.

Hello Senator Estes.

I'm writing to you about Senate Bill 1796 which would prohibit the sale of Salvia to Minors. I know that Salvia is a hot topic as of late, and that it is receiving strong media and political attention. Governmental bodies are now deciding how they will treat this substance. What I'd dearly love to see, this time around, in political and public discourse on the subject, is some perspective -- opinions formed based on facts instead of prejudices and misconceptions.

I'm a successful male of 32 living in Keller, working in Westlake, building a house; I don't smoke tobacco, very rarely drink alcohol (I don't enjoy it), don't consume caffeine, and don’t use illegal substances. However, I became interested in Salvia some time ago as a safe, legal, entheogenic substance and decided to give it a try.

I've used Salvia a number of times. I can report that the characterization of Salvia as inducing a "high" is quite far off the mark. The effects are very short-lived -- typically lasting around five minutes. I would imagine that in some ways Salvia use will be self-regulating, as I know that the majority of people who actually experience its effects find them unsettling. I have indeed had a "sitter" -- my fianceé -- for precautionary reasons many times I’ve used Salvia, although in retrospect my physical body has remained almost completely still during the experiences. Salvia's effects can resemble an amplified form of the hypnagogia that many people experience during the onset of sleep each night, and my body is generally quite still during this hypnagogia as well.

I've found my Salvia experiences to be captivating, invigorating, and fascinating from a standpoint of self-analysis and self-exploration. I can see how and why many people report unpleasant effects and decide not to repeat the usage, but I can also see how moderate, infrequent use for the right purpose can be deemed benign and certainly even beneficial. But it is not a cheap high.

During my use of Salvia, I've been a voracious consumer of Salvia-related information. I know all about dosage, setting, mindset, experiences and effects, etc. In short, I'm describing myself as a typical safe, responsible, mature, occasional user of a legal and basically harmless substance. As a result of my use of Salvia, I did not: become suicidal, lose my mind, jump out of a window, drive home from a bar inebriated (that would be symptomatic of the inexplicably legal and incredibly popular drug ETHANOL), turn to violence, become addicted, lose my hair or teeth, contract lung cancer, quit my career, vomit, experience a "crash," or any of the stereotypical negative drug side effects.

Obviously I don’t believe that Salvia should be made illegal. I am of the opinion that HB 2347 (proposing adding Salvia to Group 2 of the TCSA) goes way too far – mandating severe criminal penalties for any possession of Salvia by anyone is a knee-jerk reaction to something (anything) that simply has the ability to alter consciousness (however briefly). (On a side note, my stepmother participates in Transcendental Yoga, also a very consciousness-altering activity, will this soon come under fire by lawmakers as well? And psychologists use psychoanalysis and even hypnosis in their practices, achieving at great cost and effort some of the introspective effects a mind-altering substance may be able to provide – is there going to be a push to prevent these legal trips through the mind?) There is nothing harmful to anyone (quite the opposite, I could argue) nor immoral in any way about my use of Salvia – thus I suppose I don’t understand why the government feels it must put yet another substance (besides the ever-destructive and omni-present ethanol) on the “we will destroy your life through the power of the courts if you touch this” list. Criminalization of substances should be reserved for those that actually have a chance at being harmful or addictive. As I mentioned, I do not use illegal drugs (although like the majority of Americans I would favor the decriminalization of marijuana), but I intend to continue safely and responsibly using Salvia on an occasional basis, and if it becomes illegal in my state on September 1, 2007, I may make the decision to continue using it anyway.

This has all been background for my comments about your bill, Senate Bill 1796. Frankly, I applaud your introduction of this Bill! Salvia should NOT be used by minors. It is simply not something that a person with a still-developing brain can really benefit from. I was not mature enough to responsibly use Salvia (nor ethanol) at age 14 or 17. Fifteen years makes a world of difference. SB 1796 is responsible, reasonable legislation. Minors should not have access to Salvia, just like they don’t have legal access to tobacco or ethanol. It’s not discrimination, as minors generally become adults and then do have access to these things. We just put some things on a higher shelf than the young ones can reach while they’re young – for their OWN safety as well as everyone else’s.

The real reason I like SB 1796 more than HB 2347 is obvious, but even if HB 2347 hadn’t been introduced I’d applaud SB 1796 as a PREEMPTIVE STRIKE against much more drastic and nasty measures such as HB 2347. LSD had some extremely promising research behind it in the 50s and 60s – as a treatment for addiction, as a psychoanalysis aid, and even as a solemn and enlightening rite of passage. Then Leary encouraged the youth of the world to indulge in it casually and continually, and it spun out of control. The Federal Government quickly tightened the clamps and outlawed everything about LSD, and research since then has been extremely muted. Today, with Salvia, it’s the 14 through 17 year olds who are causing the most concern in the media and in government. Salvia is not a party drug. I favor age restrictions for Salvia purchase and possession for the same reason I favor graduated licensing for motorcycles (i.e., you ride for a year on a 500cc or smaller bike, another year on an 800cc or smaller bike, and finally after two years you have proven you can handle a larger or faster bike) – because it polices the activity/substance and regulates it enough to try and keep it legal for those who are older/more experienced and can be responsible. And by keeping it legal but restricted, a black market is avoided, which will actually make Salvia *less* accessible to minors than if it were illegal. In short, I don’t want these damned kids to ruin a good thing that some adults can handle, so let’s put Salvia on the higher shelves. But let’s not throw me in jail for responsible use.

Thank you for reading and I would certainly welcome any questions or comments you may have. Good luck!

[MBK]

Originally Posted by Nepenthe

You mean, beautiful, intricate, never the same twice, and robust enough to endure for a while?

lol i meant once you hit it it traps you and is tough to break free from!!!

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by MBK

lol i meant once you hit it it traps you and is tough to break free from!!!

Some drugs, yes. Others are very easy to walk away from. For instance, I had a huge problem in the past with 3 drugs.. Coc, Meth, and X. No matter how hard I tried I just couldn't get away from them. Every time I smoked meth I wanted to die because I hated it so bad, but I just couldn't bring myself to not smoke it. Same thing with Coc, every night I would drink some whiskey and go to sleep and tell myself the whole time that I was going to quit, but every morning @ 8 I would call my dealer and go get another 8th.
On the other hand, I've only taken mushrooms twice. Once I was in a drug house and wasn't comfortable at all so I had a horrible trip, the other time I was with 2 close friends and it was one of the most amazing nights of my life. I know to this day that I love mushrooms, but I have no problem at all turning it down. Same with pot, I love everything about it. The look of a nice budding plant, the look of a nice big bud of kush, the smell of the first green hit.. I love the feeling of it, like I'm completely at peace with everything at that moment. But I haven't smoked in over a year. I realized that I had some stuff I needed to clear up and take care of and quit with no problem. Hell, I went and picked up a gram of dro for my girls b-day and ended up throwing it away because I knew that now wasn't the time to smoke.
Meth, X, Coc, etc. are real drugs. They should be illegal and they are terrible when it comes to addiction and the reprocussions that happen later on. But natural plants that haven't been laced with anything are easy to walk away from.

Damn, this thread seriously brings the rants out of me, lol.