Gun Control Debate

[mishima8]

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[MBK]

Cloud Strife>Vincent Valentine

NUFF SAID.

[honda06si]

yes there is too much in some areas of gun control and too little in others...

like im in the army but yet i still have to take a hunters safety course, because i dont know how to use one

[The Shishpanik]

Originally Posted by mishima8

Since people mentioned this on the thread about the VT massacre, bring it over here and let the thread be able the remembrance.

IMHO gun control is a major issue. We need to find a center point where people can obtain guns, but not so easily. Some control is good, too much is bad and too little is bad. CCW permits should be available to trained and thoroughly investigated.

So let's go people ....

For the first time ever, I agree with you

[mishima8]

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[mishima8]

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[The Shishpanik]

Yeah, but unfortunately I feel like politicians have hidden agendas. Oh well, who doesn't? I think we can all agree that something went wrong and that there is at least something to reduce our risks of an event like VA-tech happening again.

[MBK]

hey mishima heihachi... i think that for CCW and maybe even to buy a handgun you should take a class... like maybe 4-6 hours which is taught by someone who has a proven A+ track record as a citizen and gun user. at the end of this period, the teacher can evaluate if the person wouldn't be a problem to carry... people like that shooter probably wouldn't pass the personality litmus test as he doesn't talk to anyone... im sure a test can be setup to somewhat gauge the mad/unstable people from the regular, good folk who are there to exercise their right to bear arms... make sense?

[The Shishpanik]

Yeah. There are tests that some employers use that ask the same question twice just with different wording in order to test your honesty/personality/sanity. Maybe they should use those?

[MBK]

well if the korean guy had to take a class like that he would have to be one hell of an actor to be approved...

[CZ-75]

Many states already require you to take something like 8-12 hours of instruction plus demonstrate competence and proficiency to get CCW. One wonders how competent the chief of a local PD was when he negligently discharged his weapon through the counter at the local shooting range? Must've been all that training.

On a related note, how do rogue cops get approved to wear a badge and carry when they have to undergo so many psych evaluations, if such tests are so conclusive?

A nice example of one of those rogue cops, using his machine gun to commit the only conclusive homicide with a legally-owned NFA registered weapon: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

[mishima8]

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[MBK]

and maybe that should extend to owning a firearm in general. and caps on ownership and extended checks/waiting periods may also work.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by CZ-75

Many states already require you to take something like 8-12 hours of instruction plus demonstrate competence and proficiency to get CCW. One wonders how competent the chief of a local PD was when he negligently discharged his weapon through the counter at the local shooting range? Must've been all that training.

On a related note, how do rogue cops get approved to wear a badge and carry when they have to undergo so many psych evaluations, if such tests are so conclusive?

A nice example of one of those rogue cops, using his machine gun to commit the only conclusive homicide with a legally-owned NFA registered weapon: http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html

but it shouldn't affect normal users if that's the case and probably will weed out many people who shouldn't own one.

[The Shishpanik]

I don't know if this is in effect now, since I am pretty new to the gun control debate, but are there periods of time where you have to be re-evaluated? For example like once a year you have to renew your CCW?

[accorddude]

Gun control really isn't the issue. This guy was obviously bent on killing, and he would have found a way to do it, regardless of gun laws.

[mishima8]

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[MBK]

Originally Posted by mishima8

Many states have a basic safety course people have to view. However, if you start requiring for anyone, then a certain segment of the populace which cannot afford the classes might be excluded.

There is a system of check that are instaneous too, but maybe more in depth psych profiles need to be done?

im sure a resonable cost level can be reached where some may view it as a fee and others as an investment.

[darksi]

Originally Posted by accorddude

Gun control really isn't the issue. This guy was obviously bent on killing, and he would have found a way to do it, regardless of gun laws.

hell yeah. 100% right! if they had a lot of laws making it hard to get a gun then someone who wants to flip and kill people will find another way. uhh? gun powder= bomb. uhh? poison. hell i don't know, but i'm sure a crazy person could think of a lot more ways. and really they would most likely find a more effective way than a couple 9mm pistols. one thing is for sure bad shit is going to happen. we don't want to make it easy for things like this to happen, it sucks. but we must face facts, its going to happen no matter how much we try to parent one another.

[CZ-75]

http://www.answers.com/topic/school-massacre