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[HybridRoninX]

I'm very curious to know everyone's feedback on this would-be officer backing down on orders to Iraq.

http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/b...=9439#comments


I'm the bottom comment... Comment#9448

[sweger]

Originally Posted by HybridRoninX

I'm very curious to know everyone's feedback on this would-be officer backing down on orders to Iraq.

http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/b...=9439#comments


I'm the bottom comment... Comment#9448

hes a pussy, and is afraid of what its like over there. i spent 9 months on the ground in baghdad, and would go back in a heartbeat. our LT is a lot like this guy, but still had hte balls to go, even though i was not confident with him leading us, at least he went and brought us all back safely

[Special Ringpop]

We shouldn't be over there in the first place.

[Redleg06Si]

I went to OCS with him.....what a pansy

[jduet7]

Why would you join the MILITARY if you are not willing to fight a war? If he thinks the war is just or not, just remember, he took an oath to uphold the values of the United States and to serve his comander-in-Chief, the President. I agree, he is a pussy.

[Vince]

as an Air Force vet, he's a puss of the worst magnitude. But I also beleive that if it's that important to you, that you should be able to resign, but not without consequences. I think this person is trying the backdoor of it being an unlawful order, like all service members are taught, you have the right and duty to disobey an unlawful order. But it's clearly not and will not work in this case.

[marc-o-lishuz]

The armed forces is the only occupation where you get thrown in jail if you don't go to work.

Diplomacy ftw.

[maximus20895]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

We shouldn't be over there in the first place.

Truth.

[ImTheVoiceOfGod]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

We shouldn't be over there in the first place.

Unless you went there prior to the US led invasion you have no room to talk about whether or not we should be there. Until you see the people of that country and how they suffered under the former regime, you can't say if we should have done it. I was there, boots on the ground through the initial assault. All you see is what has been blazen across your television. When you drive down the street seeing people coming out of their houses for the first time in their lives not being afraid of getting taken by the policefor no reason other than their religion, you will know why we are there.
Is that the reason they said we were invading Iraq? No. But does that mean that we should just stand by while people are being oppressed??
Once you have the testicular fortitude to stand beside us, then you can build your opinion about the presidents decision to send troops in. You dont know what really goes on from half a world away.


Sorry for the rant

Oh yeah, my opinion, Deserters/AWOL/anyone that refuses their service should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

[Special Ringpop]

Originally Posted by ImTheVoiceOfGod

Is that the reason they said we were invading Iraq? No. But does that mean that we should just stand by while people are being oppressed??

....You dont know what really goes on from half a world away.

I think that depends on who is doing the oppressing. I've heard quite a few Iraqis want us out of there pronto.

I'm not claiming to know first hand the horrors of war. I support the troops, I just feel bad they're stuck in this un-winnable war. But as you said, Bush is, according to his new self-appointment, "the decision-maker", after all.

I guess I'm just sick and tired of seeing kids coming home in body bags, and innocent Iraqis being killed in the name of "freedom".

And per that last part, you're right. I listen to what the news tells me, as well as the politicians that are elected. But the US would heed well to what I do when I keep my nose out of other people's business. We are not the crusaders of the free world, and I think that's been made apparant by the other countries who have decided this war is not winnable.

Unfortunately, we screwed up. Badly. Really badly. And now we can't leave. To leave would be wrong, but to go there in the first place was wrong.

Where do you draw the line...sorry, chief, as much as I respect all of you wonderful men and women who serve, I will never forgive the cowboy "decision-maker" who puts you at death's doorstep every day.

I hope each and every one of you never has to go back to Iraq, or go there for the first time, and I hope each and everyone over there comes back unharmed. Wishful thinking for an ideal world...where's a Walgreen's when I need one .

EDIT: I also feel that is not cool for the guy to have done that. When you enlist, you know full well what may come about as a result. However, at the same time, I can see this turning into a sign-up/enlistment protest real soon, if, by some light of God, Bush is allowed to send more troops over there. Even that, Im still not sure how I feel on. I dont even want any over there as it is.

[shawn-o]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

I think that depends on who is doing the oppressing. I've heard quite a few Iraqis want us out of there pronto.

I'm not claiming to know first hand the horrors of war. I support the troops, I just feel bad they're stuck in this un-winnable war. But as you said, Bush is, according to his new self-appointment, "the decision-maker", after all.

I guess I'm just sick and tired of seeing kids coming home in body bags, and innocent Iraqis being killed in the name of "freedom".

And per that last part, you're right. I listen to what the news tells me, as well as the politicians that are elected. But the US would heed well to what I do when I keep my nose out of other people's business. We are not the crusaders of the free world, and I think that's been made apparant by the other countries who have decided this war is not winnable.

Unfortunately, we screwed up. Badly. Really badly. And now we can't leave. To leave would be wrong, but to go there in the first place was wrong.

Where do you draw the line...sorry, chief, as much as I respect all of you wonderful men and women who serve, I will never forgive the cowboy "decision-maker" who puts you at death's doorstep every day.

I hope each and every one of you never has to go back to Iraq, or go there for the first time, and I hope each and everyone over there comes back unharmed. Wishful thinking for an ideal world...where's a Walgreen's when I need one .

EDIT: I also feel that is not cool for the guy to have done that. When you enlist, you know full well what may come about as a result. However, at the same time, I can see this turning into a sign-up/enlistment protest real soon, if, by some light of God, Bush is allowed to send more troops over there. Even that, Im still not sure how I feel on. I dont even want any over there as it is.

Im with ringpop on this one.

Couldnt have said it better myself. I guess my opinion doesent matter though because im not in the millitary and never will be.

[Hybrid_Customs]

I quess he doesn't remember the oath he took when swearing in the Armed Forces! I say stop being a pussy and grow some balls and get your F**Kin ass over the Iraq like the rest of us and serve the country you promised you would!

[acrobles]

i dont think it should matter on anything. there shouldnt be a reason why you cant go. we all have reasons why not to go, but we go anyways because we knew what we were signing when we signed the contract.

[sweger]

exactly acrobles, i agree that anyone whould have known when signing up the chances of going to the mid east. its stupid to sign up and think you wont be going.

[Sli(ks]

Originally Posted by Hybrid_Customs

I quess he doesn't remember the oath he took when swearing in the Armed Forces! I say stop being a pussy and grow some balls and get your F**Kin ass over the Iraq like the rest of us and serve the country you promised you would!

Does the oath say anything about protecting the country regardless of what was threatening it? If it does, what would you do if you felt that our involvement in Iraq was actually hurting America? Maybe he doesn't see it as betraying his country and his comrades, maybe he feels that by refusing to fight - he is obeying his oath.

I'm just throwing that out there.

[HybridRoninX]

Yeah, a family friend of mine, who I consider blood to me is a Corpman (sp?) in the Navy and was part of the first Battallion with Marines into Falluja. He went a second time to Ramadi and was sniped in the shoulder, few millimeters from an artery. My father did his time, 23 in the Navy, I have uncles still in service. They took their oath, although taken far away to distant places from family and friends, they followed their orders and did what they had to do. I can't stand those who take the oath, yet they turn their back at the slightest hint of danger.

[HybridRoninX]

A little rep to those in service who uphold their honor and follow the oath they took to defend county, but most importantly family and friends...

[lovin_it06]

As a fellow Airman, he's a puss. I have been there already and am looking forward to going back. More money for my car:)

[20strong]

Originally Posted by ImTheVoiceOfGod

Unless you went there prior to the US led invasion you have no room to talk about whether or not we should be there. Until you see the people of that country and how they suffered under the former regime, you can't say if we should have done it. I was there, boots on the ground through the initial assault. All you see is what has been blazen across your television. When you drive down the street seeing people coming out of their houses for the first time in their lives not being afraid of getting taken by the policefor no reason other than their religion, you will know why we are there.
Is that the reason they said we were invading Iraq? No. But does that mean that we should just stand by while people are being oppressed??
Once you have the testicular fortitude to stand beside us, then you can build your opinion about the presidents decision to send troops in. You dont know what really goes on from half a world away.


Sorry for the rant

Oh yeah, my opinion, Deserters/AWOL/anyone that refuses their service should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Im with you, if you havent been there you can not fathom how badly these people need us. The people that we are fighting represent death they will not stop attacking there own people even if we pulled out tomarrow. We need to see this through and stand behind the men and women that are brave enough to represent our country and ensure our saftey with there lives. Thank you to all of the men and women of the armed forces that obey there lawfull orders and remain honerable to there oath. I spent 13 monthes deployed with the 1/72 SBCT so I have been there and the media is washing you with negative. We have built countless schools, post offices, police offices, fire departments, electricity infustructure, sewage proccesing plants, fresh water refineries, now you tell me that we are not doing any good.

[Special Ringpop]

Nah. The media may play a small part in "brainwashing" the public, but I think George does a good enough job of that, essnetially saying you're unAmerican if you don't support his war.

Bullshit. I'm sorry. Bless you troops, but that's as far as I'm going.

All I need to see are two things 1.) body bags coming back to the states, with hundreds of lives destroyed because of it, per body, and the fact that we really had no reason to go to Iraq to begin with. Sure, a great many Iraqis want us there. A great many also want us out.

Bush has done seemingly nothing for this war except play on American's fears, saying that you're not patriotic if you don't support the war, and to be patient.

I'm sorry, George, you're fired. How many thousands are dead because of your cowboy mentality? My patience for you ran up when you asked for more troops, and more patience. How many more Americans do we need to risk for a war we're never going to win?

EDIT: I hope none of you in the Armed Forces think that I am against you. I am not. I do not support the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, and would sooner move to Canada than join the Armed Forces until that is repealed, but I commend each and every one of you for doing what you do, and don't let my opinion of the war or George Bush Jr. let you think otherwise.