US Manufacturers required to include stability control

[John DiFool]

JUst read in the paper about this. For the "average" driver sure stability control
will likely save them, but for the expert driver it likely would be a huge annoyance
at best. I dislike having the car drive me.

[Gonzo]

It had better be mandatory to have the option of turning it off.

My dad's BMW turns on TCS I think it is by default when the car is started. I absolutely hate it. It makes the car unpredictable and hesitates on hard cornering and acceleration. Completely defeats the purpose of having rear wheel drive in the first place.

When I have to make a hard right turn to merge, that damn car had better MOVE. I agree with you, if someone knows how to drive a car properly in the first place then it is more dangerous to have these "assists." For everyone else great I guess...

[si_civic]

I'm glad VSA can be turned off on the 2007 Si's

[FigiSi06]

most assist systems cant be turned off so to speak, they can only increase the threshold they require to intervine. Few to none can be disabled 100%. Sorry

[CivicWithNav]

only thing that I know that doesn't turn off fully is Daimler Benz/Chrysler products. other ones you CAN turn em off.

BMW's the stability control is automatically on. press the DTC once and Traction control is turned off but stability control is still on. press and hold DTC for 3 sec and you turn off the whole stability control.

[Izzy]

Lexus' new VDIC turns back on after going over 30mph. Boo. That's one reason I didn't get an IS250...that and the 350 didn't come in 6-speed. LAME.

[wing_gundam]

well i like it when gunning it from a red in the rain.

you try that on wet streets in the civ and ur not going no where! (auto t anyways)

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by 06Ex

You're a retard. If that is the purpose you believe having a RWD car is for, then you need to not drive a car anymore.

Let your daddy drive the BMW, you stick to FWD.

Wow, you sure are mature. Sticking to insults without even bothering to read my post. Why don't you learn how to read? Way to show off your intelligence and attitude. Go re-read my post and then choke and die.

Jerk.

[CoryB]

I HATE traction control and think it's dangerous. I will never again have it on a vehicle unless I have the option of turning it off permanently or automatically. My MINI Cooper S had it and the first modification I did was to add a circuit that turned it off automatically each time the car was started.

When I first got that car I was almost in several wrecks because the TC would cut power when I was pulling out of a parking lot and turning and a tire would lose traction (no LSD in that car.) Needless to say I started turning it off every time I got in the car until I found the auto-off circuit. When my wife ordered her MINI, I ordered one of the same circuits and it was installed the day she got the car.

[Gonzo]

I would love for you to explain your reasoning, I'm sure we would all get a good laugh.

Plus, do you enjoy picking fights at random on this forum? It seems you do from reviewing your posts. Our moderators have a solution for that.

I'm sorry that you are beyond helping yourself.

[ethlar]

Originally Posted by CoryB

I HATE traction control and think it's dangerous. I will never again have it on a vehicle unless I have the option of turning it off permanently or automatically.

There are some cars that really do need their traction control and other driver assist features, like the Mercedes S class. Take one of those things out in the rain and under normal driving the TCS light almost never turns off, its constantly working to keep that car under control.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by ethlar

There are some cars that really do need their traction control and other driver assist features, like the Mercedes S class. Take one of those things out in the rain and under normal driving the TCS light almost never turns off, its constantly working to keep that car under control.

Unless the throttle or handling is that touchy that it is dangerous to drive in the rain (which would be poor vehicle design) then I'd disagree. If you find yourself having trouble controlling a car that powerful in the rain you need to step down to a less powerful car and learn first. Though I could see if I guy bought an S-class and had to get someone else to drive it...

Having an inexperienced driver at the wheel and giving them driving assists is one thing (though preferably they would recieve instruction on a more basic car and build experience from there), but if an experienced driver cannot keep the car under control in normal driving conditions without electronic assists then that probably isn't a good testament to the car's tuning and design.

That said I'd imagine the type of driver for which the S class is intended probably wouldn't have an issue putting around in the rain.

[SuperShale]

I had TCS on my 97 Ford Aspire. It made it really hard to race around town. Every time I'd rev drop it into D, it'd make the car lurch forward and then the TCS light would go on and turn off my VTEC. I hate TCS. It's for NOOBS. I ended up getting the JDM tranny for my car, and it didn't have the TCS...so then I ran my 12's just fine.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by SuperShale

I had TCS on my 97 Ford Aspire. It made it really hard to race around town. Every time I'd rev drop it into D, it'd make the car lurch forward and then the TCS light would go on and turn off my VTEC. I hate TCS. It's for NOOBS. I ended up getting the JDM tranny for my car, and it didn't have the TCS...so then I ran my 12's just fine.

Huh?

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Unless the throttle or handling is that touchy that it is dangerous to drive in the rain (which would be poor vehicle design) then I'd disagree. If you find yourself having trouble controlling a car that powerful in the rain you need to step down to a less powerful car and learn first. Though I could see if I guy bought an S-class and had to get someone else to drive it...

Having an inexperienced driver at the wheel and giving them driving assists is one thing (though preferably they would recieve instruction on a more basic car and build experience from there), but if an experienced driver cannot keep the car under control in normal driving conditions without electronic assists then that probably isn't a good testament to the car's tuning and design.

That said I'd imagine the type of driver for which the S class is intended probably wouldn't have an issue putting around in the rain.

The Audi A3 has this issue. Actually a lot of vehicles have this issue. But it doesn't always become an issue until you're placed in that situation. TCS is useful. Not always and not always even 50% of the time, but there are instances where it should be left on. Especially up there.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by skittleslegend

The Audi A3 has this issue. Actually a lot of vehicles have this issue. But it doesn't always become an issue until you're placed in that situation. TCS is useful. Not always and not always even 50% of the time, but there are instances where it should be left on. Especially up there.

Like getting up my drive way in the snow (which at least 4 months of the year). Any RWD will not make it up my drive without studed tires or somesort of super traction control system.

[CNUco2007]

Yea I don't like traction control. I test drove a Mini Cooper S for fun and any time I tried to get some power there would be none. It was really bad when i was making a U turn and went to accellerate before I got hit by other traffic, and I guess it saw a traction problem and totally killed the gas. I might as well have been pushing the car it was moving so slow. Eventually It decided I had the car back under control (I did the whole time but w/e) and it started to go slowely. It was stupid. Almost got me killed (figuratively speaking). I could have turned it off but didnt know how lol. At least in my civic, when i need the power it is there. Even if i happen to screech the tires a tiny bit there is no need to take the foot off the gas lol

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by CNUco2007

Yea I don't like traction control. I test drove a Mini Cooper S for fun and any time I tried to get some power there would be none. It was really bad when i was making a U turn and went to accellerate before I got hit by other traffic, and I guess it saw a traction problem and totally killed the gas. I might as well have been pushing the car it was moving so slow. Eventually It decided I had the car back under control (I did the whole time but w/e) and it started to go slowely. It was stupid. Almost got me killed (figuratively speaking). I could have turned it off but didnt know how lol. At least in my civic, when i need the power it is there. Even if i happen to screech the tires a tiny bit there is no need to take the foot off the gas lol

Remind me to never ride with you.....

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by Jrfish007

Like getting up my drive way in the snow (which at least 4 months of the year). Any RWD will not make it up my drive without studed tires or somesort of super traction control system.

Same here. And my friend Heidi lives up on an incline. She has to park her car at the end of the street and walk until she gets studded snow tires. Her driveway is impossible to get up any other way. But we put on the TCS on someone's car (can't remember who?) and made it up. Barely.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by John DiFool

JUst read in the paper about this. For the "average" driver sure stability control
will likely save them, but for the expert driver it likely would be a huge annoyance
at best. I dislike having the car drive me.

On another note, I just thought that this is probably not going to happen anytime soon. I don't think the US will require anything like this, I mean honestly, they don't even mandate ABS yet (many Euro countries do mandate it though), and they are going to mandate traction control, and not ABS.... I don't think so.