who made the 2.2 Ecotec?

LsedanX · 07-18-2006, 08:22 PM

My friend has a 2004 Saturn Ion with the 2.2 Ecotec. I always thought that GM bought them from Honda? Was the Ecotec made/originated 100% here in the US? Help!

BLU BY U · 07-18-2006, 08:25 PM

i was under the assumption that GM made the ecotec motors. (saturn = GM)

RockALittle250 · 07-18-2006, 08:26 PM

I believe the Ecotec is a product of GM. They are not as fuel efficient or powerful as Honda's Vtec engines. I'm not sure which engines in GM's line are from Honda tho...

8thgenuser · 07-18-2006, 08:36 PM

I believe the only Honda-manufactured engine that went into a Saturn was the Vue.

From Wikipedia:
"...starting in 2004, all 6-cylinder VUEs were equipped with the 250 hp (186 kW) Honda-manufactured L66 engine and a Honda transmission."

***Jaranath*** · 07-18-2006, 08:42 PM

The Saturn Vue uses Honda's 3.5 liter V-6, used in the Odyssey and a few other Hondas/Acuras:

http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=7783

To the best of my knowledge, that's the only Honda automotoive engine sourced to GM.

***Jaranath*** · 07-18-2006, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8thgenuser

I believe the only Honda-manufactured engine that went into a Saturn was the Vue.

From Wikipedia:
"...starting in 2004, all 6-cylinder VUEs were equipped with the 250 hp (186 kW) Honda-manufactured L66 engine and a Honda transmission."

Beat me to it, 8thgen...

8thgenuser · 07-18-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaranath

Beat me to it, 8thgen...

Heh heh.

I wonder if GM still brands the Honda engines as Ecotec engines, though. Anybody have any pics?

***Special Ringpop*** · 07-18-2006, 11:16 PM

Pretty sure the ecotec engine iused in most GM cars stronger than any K18 is from the factory, aren't they?

shawn-o · 07-18-2006, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8thgenuser

Heh heh.

I wonder if GM still brands the Honda engines as Ecotec engines, though. Anybody have any pics?

negative.

the ecotec replaced the 2.0/2.4's that were once in cavaliers and sunfires.

**atruhondagrl** · 07-18-2006, 11:51 PM

From what I've read, the Family II engine was originally developed by Opel (pre GM) in the '70s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine#Ecotec

FigiSi06 · 07-19-2006, 12:49 AM

the 2.2 ecotec was a scaled down version of the 2.4 twin cam previously of the z24 cavaliers, and others. To my knowledge i dont believe it utilizes any variable timing like vtec. The 2.4 twin cam was junk though.

RockALittle250 · 07-19-2006, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FigiSi06

the 2.2 ecotec was a scaled down version of the 2.4 twin cam previously of the z24 cavaliers, and others. To my knowledge i dont believe it utilizes any variable timing like vtec. The 2.4 twin cam was junk though.

Well, aren't all Chevy engines?

jc21 · 07-19-2006, 03:01 PM

The ecotec doesn't have variable timing but it is one strong ass motor. They produce 145 at the crank but they can handle a ton more.

And the ecotec replaced both the 2.2 OHV and the 2.4 twin cam. The 2.4 engine wasn't nearly as strong as the ecotec is but it could still hold it's own except you had to contantly work on them. The Ecotec's you just build em up and let em go.

I'm not positive as to where exactly the ecotec is built. It's either at their plant in Ohio or in Canada.

If you are interested in learning about the ecotec as well as cavaliers and cobalts. Check out www.jbody.org.

I used to own a cavalier and that site is quite informative.

jc21 · 07-19-2006, 03:03 PM

btw. the ecotec engine you friend has in his ion is a solid engine... too bad the rest of his car is an utter piece of shit. He'll have more problems with that POS then he can imagine.

peliROJO · 07-19-2006, 03:05 PM

Check it out:
http://www.answers.com/topic/gm-family-ii-engine

Quote:

Originally Posted by answers.com

GM Family II engine

The Family II is a straight-4 piston engine that was originally developed by Opel in late 1970s for use in the Opel Ascona B and Opel Kadett D. Over time, the engine block has evolved to include many modern features such as DOHC and fuel injection. Many General Motors subsidaries, including Holden, GM do Brasil and recently GM Powertrain have adopted this design.
20XE, 20XEJ, C20XE

article continues....

Ecotec

Ecotec name was adopted in 2000 for the new generation of Family II engines. The name was already used for the Opel Family 1 and Family 0 ranges. GM intends for this new Ecotec to become its global 4-cylinder.

The Ecotec Family II is a modern chain-driven DOHC 4-valve design with an aluminum block and head (L850), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. It was developed by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Trollhättan, Sweden. Much of the development work on this project was carried out by Lotus Engingineering, Hethel, United Kingdom. The engine uses aluminum pistons and cast iron cylinder liners. Vibration is reduced with twin balance shafts.

The current Ecotec line is manufactured in Tonawanda, New York, Kaiserslautern, Germany, and (for Saturn) in Spring Hill, Tennessee.

jc21 · 07-19-2006, 03:19 PM

wow, i was WAYYY off. And I used to own a GM

07-18-2006, 08:22 PM	#1 (permalink)
LsedanX Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 62 iTrader: 1 / 100%	who made the 2.2 Ecotec? My friend has a 2004 Saturn Ion with the 2.2 Ecotec. I always thought that GM bought them from Honda? Was the Ecotec made/originated 100% here in the US? Help!

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atruhondagrl Kneel before Zod! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 23,626 General Zod iTrader: 22 / 100%	From what I've read, the Family II engine was originally developed by Opel (pre GM) in the '70s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_II_engine#Ecotec __________________ Rise before zod.

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BLU BY U Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 24 Posts: 7,478 iTrader: 2 / 100%	i was under the assumption that GM made the ecotec motors. (saturn = GM)

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RockALittle250 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,009 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I believe the Ecotec is a product of GM. They are not as fuel efficient or powerful as Honda's Vtec engines. I'm not sure which engines in GM's line are from Honda tho...

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8thgenuser Webby's Minion Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 7,069 Nikon Squad Member #8 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I believe the only Honda-manufactured engine that went into a Saturn was the Vue. From Wikipedia: "...starting in 2004, all 6-cylinder VUEs were equipped with the 250 hp (186 kW) Honda-manufactured L66 engine and a Honda transmission."

07-18-2006, 08:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
*Jaranath* 8 arms and a beak Join Date: Nov 2005 Age: 32 Posts: 861 iTrader: 0 / 0%	The Saturn Vue uses Honda's 3.5 liter V-6, used in the Odyssey and a few other Hondas/Acuras: http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=7783 To the best of my knowledge, that's the only Honda automotoive engine sourced to GM.

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FigiSi06 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: GO BIG RED Age: 25 Posts: 636 iTrader: 0 / 0%	the 2.2 ecotec was a scaled down version of the 2.4 twin cam previously of the z24 cavaliers, and others. To my knowledge i dont believe it utilizes any variable timing like vtec. The 2.4 twin cam was junk though.

07-19-2006, 03:01 PM	#13 (permalink)
jc21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago/Lincoln Park Age: 23 Posts: 1,220 I Like Cheese iTrader: 2 / 100%	The ecotec doesn't have variable timing but it is one strong ass motor. They produce 145 at the crank but they can handle a ton more. And the ecotec replaced both the 2.2 OHV and the 2.4 twin cam. The 2.4 engine wasn't nearly as strong as the ecotec is but it could still hold it's own except you had to contantly work on them. The Ecotec's you just build em up and let em go. I'm not positive as to where exactly the ecotec is built. It's either at their plant in Ohio or in Canada. If you are interested in learning about the ecotec as well as cavaliers and cobalts. Check out www.jbody.org. I used to own a cavalier and that site is quite informative.

07-19-2006, 03:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
jc21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago/Lincoln Park Age: 23 Posts: 1,220 I Like Cheese iTrader: 2 / 100%	btw. the ecotec engine you friend has in his ion is a solid engine... too bad the rest of his car is an utter piece of shit. He'll have more problems with that POS then he can imagine.

07-19-2006, 03:19 PM	#16 (permalink)
jc21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Chicago/Lincoln Park Age: 23 Posts: 1,220 I Like Cheese iTrader: 2 / 100%	wow, i was WAYYY off. And I used to own a GM