Full-Race stepping into the ring...

[soxfan143]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I don't really believe that boosting a non-boosted car is as bad as everyone here makes it out to be. I hear constantly people talking about how they've been boosted for XX years with no problems. Depends on your end goals. How often do you see people on here freaking out about something breaking on their AJP kit (rarely)? And how often do you see people on here about their Greddy kit (the answer is "often" to the greddy kit)? I think if FR built a solid kit, and you aren't power-hungry for 600 WHP, 6k in unsuspecting problems would be unnecessary.

Good luck then. Let me know how you make out. I guarantee that if you go turbo, no matter how well the kit is made or how great the tune is you will have a problem eventually. And the reason you see so many issues with GReddy is because it's the majority owned kit. How many own AJP on here? 2? And I guarantee that they had a few issues that were never even posted. Also, the amount of people on this site make up a very small amount of the actual people that are boosted. And another thing is the people you are reading about that are not having any issues are the people that belong to a forum. These people learn from the mistakes of others that post their disasters and how to avoid them. Go work for a speed shop and then tell me the same thing. You WILL have a problem eventually somewhere. Trust me.

[dualdiagnosis]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Good luck then. Let me know how you make out. I guarantee that if you go turbo, no matter how well the kit is made or how great the tune is you will have a problem eventually. And the reason you see so many issues with GReddy is because it's the majority owned kit. How many own AJP on here? 2? And I guarantee that they had a few issues that were never even posted. Also, the amount of people on this site make up a very small amount of the actual people that are boosted. And another thing is the people you are reading about that are not having any issues are the people that belong to a forum. These people learn from the mistakes of others that post their disasters and how to avoid them. Go work for a speed shop and then tell me the same thing. You WILL have a problem eventually somewhere. Trust me.

Wait a minute here. I remember you explicitly stating that a turbo car with the proper tune is very reliable. Now you are saying something different.

[Supa Ninja]

you don't have zero problems over night. you bolt the kit up and then sort the problems out, and then it becomes reliable.

[dualdiagnosis]

^That's not what he said.

[Ronmaster901]

So lets say you spend $6,000 on the kit. You are not finished there. As said before, you will have to spend money on something to tune with. On top of that, you have to spend money on intallation of the kit (assuming you dont do it yourself). So there is money right there, assuming you have zero problems..which, by the way, is unheard of.

The point is, if Full Race does come out with a set up...its not like youre buying everything you need and youre done spending money...youve really only gotten a big chunk out of the way.

Im not trying to just contradict you for the fun of it. Im just telling you there is no simple "plug and play" option for forced induction. You are going to have trouble and you are going to spend money.

Getting back on topic, i honestly think the 6262s would be the turbo of choice. A tubular manifold (like AJPs). Good quality 2.5" charge piping. quality couplers and t-bolt clamps. And flashpro. Done. Call it a day.

[dualdiagnosis]

The point is, Soxfan is right even though he just said something different from what he preached about all along. I have been around fast cars long enough to know that you will have a problem eventually no matter how "well put-together" you think something is.

[Supa Ninja]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I don't really believe that boosting a non-boosted car is as bad as everyone here makes it out to be. I hear constantly people talking about how they've been boosted for XX years with no problems. Depends on your end goals. How often do you see people on here freaking out about something breaking on their AJP kit (rarely)? And how often do you see people on here about their Greddy kit (the answer is "often" to the greddy kit)? I think if FR built a solid kit, and you aren't power-hungry for 600 WHP, 6k in unsuspecting problems would be unnecessary.

if you want to go boost be prepared to spend cheddar no matter what kit you go with, including customs and especially ebay.

[Supa Ninja]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Well Nick, Full-Race makes their own FMIC's and pretty much everything else that can be made. The only thing that they will include in the kits that they do NOT make is the actual turbo and wastegate. They will not offer any tuning solution, though Hondata IS recommended. They only make the heart and soul of the systems. And 500whp on 8psi is NOT gonna happen for a streetable kit with quick spooling and a broad powerband. Maybe with a ginormous turbo that won't start spooling till 5k. Lol...But I wouldn't mind 500whp on 8psi either.

One can dream can't he?

[ReDHatchyGuy]

it will fit under the cowl just fine.....

[07CivicMD]

Any information on price?

[Radicalblackcivic]

any more pics of this car? its got the vertical flow intercooler, nice! i was looking to upgrade that one too.... looks like in the end, ill probably upgrade the whole kit.... id like to see more pics of that sidewinder turbo manifold under the cowl

[sick_civic]

I'd at least like to see 400 pissed off pony's on the full race turbo kit,im surprised they didn't jump in the market sooner since compact cars such as the civic are good sellers & widely known to be modified,what makes you think buying performance parts for our cars will slow down!?...


I'm sure Full Race went ahead and did quick work of the Mitsubishi Evo for their brand,so why are lagging behind the rest now???


release the kit already,I'm not complaining,I'm just saying most of us who haven't boosted are playing the waiting game and were going for the Best....but it really depends on the moment if Full-race can Deliver with the best bang for the buck...but as company's are,first time around the Prices will be jacked up i bet...But thats alot to ask for.

[siksi1]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Full-Race will more than likely NOT offer a base tune or ANY tuning system at all. That is up to you. But they do recommend Hondata systems with their Honda kits. Twin scroll turbos are awesome. My question is if the twin scroll offers a range of 350-600whp possible power output, depending on tune, motor build and fuel system, then why would you need a different turbo option? I would be happy with a kit that has that type of versatility. where you can have a nicely powered DD at 350-400whp and then you could have an all out monster at 500-600whp. That would be fine with me.

Your right, the twin scroll setup is a very versitile setup.. But is it cost affective enough for the consumer to were full-race see's enough interest to make it a reality. Ultimatly they wanna sell a bunch of kits not 1 or 2 per month, thats were cost comes in. I think the should offer the twinscroll setup as another option to allow us the consumer a cheaper option for a great product. Just take SRT's kit for example, I am not comparing the 2, but they offer a very well put together setup at a pretty decent price. I mean you get everything you will need to make the kit run correctly with no issues. Ultimately you get what you pay for, but that does not mean that there is no happy medium.

[realxlai]

Originally Posted by ReDHatchyGuy

it will fit under the cowl just fine.....

uh no it doesn't. he cut all of the windshield wiper cowl

[atruhondagrl]

Son of a ^&*%$!!! I wanted a Full Race turbo set up like 2 years ago and back then it was , "sorry... no can do." I'm 8 months into my 8th car and they finally develop one!!!



Words can not express the level of my anger. Man, all of you wanting one, you better enjoy it. !@#$%$

*storms out of the room in a tizzy*

[Cookstar]

Should have been patient, my dear lol

Let this be a lesson to all. Give the aftermarket 3-4 yrs to start bringing out the good stuff when you buy a newly redesigned car.

[atruhondagrl]

Or wait 2-3 years to buy the car!

[soxfan143]

Originally Posted by dualdiagnosis

Wait a minute here. I remember you explicitly stating that a turbo car with the proper tune is very reliable. Now you are saying something different.

It can be very reliable. Once you get all the kinks ironed out. When you change the basic operation of a car as much as installing a turbo on an NA motor there is going to be issues. You can't predict everything. Like the other day my greddy oil return with the banjo bolt failed. The heat from the downpipe caused the rubber hose to crack, even with the heat wrap, and it finally let go. Now I had NO control over that. So to fix it right and for good I had to drop my sub frame, pull the pan have the fitting welded and get the fittings and install them. Now if I wasn't a mechanic and didn't have the resources I do, working for Ballistic, that would have cost me 500-600 in labor.

Now imagine your boost solenoid vacuum line pops off and your wastegate has no boost source to open with and you decide to go WOT for a little fun. You have no idea that the line popped off. Which can happen at ANY moment. And BOOM! You boost to 30psi because the wastegate didn't open. BYE BYE MOTOR!!! That is possible at ANY moment. Now no matter how great your car runs or how perfect everything is, your motor is JUNK!! These are the things I'm talking about.

[whipsnap]

lots can happen no matter how you mod your car. the only thing you can do is provide proper maintenance and care to prevent anything terrible from happening. everything else is up to chance. if you dont like risk... then don't mod your car. simple as that.

[lessthanwise]

Originally Posted by NitrousG35

There seems to be some rumors that Honda will come out with direct injection, which would make it a natural for a big turbo setup.

i-VTEC-I was direct injection n/a...only released in Japan as far as I've seen