Full-Race stepping into the ring...

[civicgotspeed]

Originally Posted by DevilDoc87

i would love to run 4.4lbs for 300whp haha, the thought of I will probably have to run 11lbs with my greddy kit to get the same effect..

remember...its not the pounds of boost that kills your motor...its the amount of power youre making that kills your motor...15 pounds making 300whp wont pop before 6 pounds making 400whp.....

[DevilDoc87]

i always see its the higher boost thats worse off

[Ronmaster901]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

I have been in contact with Geoff for a week or so. Maybe you got someone other than Geoff himself. He has been in contact with Hondata. They were waiting for them. This is legit guys. This thread was started for the sole reason to see what kind of interest is there for Full-Race to step in. If there is no interest with LEGITIMATE buyers then there will probably NOT be a kit.

You say Full Race has been in contact with Hondata? If so, this is very good news. If hondata can come up with a reflash to sell with a Full Race kit, i am very interested in a kit from Full Race and im confident that many other buyers will be too...especially with the introduction of FlashPro coming soon.

I know AJP has a hondata tune that they sell with their kit with 8.5 lbs of boost at 376 whp. They use the AEM FIC to tune past the 8.5 lb limit hondata limited their flash to.

Originally Posted by DevilDoc87

i would love to run 4.4lbs for 300whp haha, the thought of I will probably have to run 11lbs with my greddy kit to get the same effect..

i hear ya man lol. these small turbos that Greddy and Turbo Specialties sell with their kits just choke when it comes to our high reving motors. The smaller turbo means more boost to equal the same power of a larger turbo = not good lol.

[spenny]

From what I've heard, increasing the amount of boost makes an effective increase in the compression ratio and could be more prone to detonating... but I'm no boost expert.

I'm sure if Full-Race offers a kit for us 8thgens, similar to the RSX kits, with great fitment etc etc.. people will buy it.

[Ronmaster901]

Originally Posted by civicgotspeed

remember...its not the pounds of boost that kills your motor...its the amount of power youre making that kills your motor...15 pounds making 300whp wont pop before 6 pounds making 400whp.....

! The stress on your motor has a lot to do with the boost pressure you throw at it. Rough Example...

Small turbo: 15 psi = 400 whp.
Big turbo: 8psi = 400 whp.

You might think that since you are making the same power, your engine is under equal stress from each turbo. This is not true.

On the smaller turbo, you have 15 pounds per sqaure inch of air exerting force everywhere from the compressor outlet to the cylinder. This means more stress on the pistons, cylinder walls, rods, bearings...everything. On the larger turbo, you only have 8. The reason you make more power with the larger turbo is because it can flow a larger mass of air in the same amount of time. Therefor higher boost levels are more dangerous.

Also boost pressure affects the compression ratio of your engine. (I got yo back spenny lol) and as we all know, higher compression ratios means higher octane gas ratings...(AND COMPRESSION AND COMBUSTION PRESSURES). So the more power you can make at low boost, the better.

[soxfan143]

Originally Posted by civicgotspeed

remember...its not the pounds of boost that kills your motor...its the amount of power youre making that kills your motor...15 pounds making 300whp wont pop before 6 pounds making 400whp.....

WOW!! You couldn't be more wrong. You have it completely backwards. I would like to know where you got this info? And why you would be telling someone this? It's is NOT the power that will kill your motor it is the boost level. When you increase the boost level in an already high compression motor you are increasing the compression in the cylinders and you are increasing the heat generated at combustion. This will raise your exhaust gas temperature to an unbelievably unsafe level. You can make well over 500whp on this motor in stock trim as long as you keep your boost levels below 12-14psi, keep your AFRs safe and keep your EGTs down. PLEASE STOP posting bad info. This is the reason people laugh at this forum. If you do not know something please do not post info on it.

[Radicalblackcivic]

hahahah i think everybody gots it right, just everybody is confused...

[siksi1]

So when can I give them my deposit?? I have a full race boosted eg that I have had boosted for almost 2 yrs now... No issues or problems! I think it would be very easy for them to offer us a setup for our cars, I dont think they should go with the twinscroll mani because it will limit us on the turbo options we choose to run. Not to mention that I'm sure the price with a twinscroll setup would be pretty hefty.

[06_civic_si_gi]

had greddy kit which to me was worthless cant wait to see wut fullrace has in store for us...

as for wants

i like the idea of using a 6262 turbo
shooting for like 350whp would be nice for a dd
n i would like to see a good price on it....
also a GREAT base tune would be great cuz the greddy base tune was VERY shitty

[soxfan143]

Originally Posted by 06_civic_si_gi

had greddy kit which to me was worthless cant wait to see wut fullrace has in store for us...

as for wants

i like the idea of using a 6262 turbo
shooting for like 350whp would be nice for a dd
n i would like to see a good price on it....
also a GREAT base tune would be great cuz the greddy base tune was VERY shitty

Full-Race will more than likely NOT offer a base tune or ANY tuning system at all. That is up to you. But they do recommend Hondata systems with their Honda kits. Twin scroll turbos are awesome. My question is if the twin scroll offers a range of 350-600whp possible power output, depending on tune, motor build and fuel system, then why would you need a different turbo option? I would be happy with a kit that has that type of versatility. where you can have a nicely powered DD at 350-400whp and then you could have an all out monster at 500-600whp. That would be fine with me.

[DevilDoc87]

So I was right! damn second guessing. Lol, its all good no hard feelings.

[I Vtec, do you?]

I'll throw my opinion in on this.

I certainly plan on boosting my car by next year. I'll need another summer of solid work before I can afford a good kit.

I can't really offer up too much that I would want since I know nothing about turbos. What I do know I want is something similar to AJP - I want a GOOD tune to come with it that would require VERY LITTLE fine tuning to run well. This is a huge, huge need to me as I wouldn't buy anything that required extensive tuning to get running well.

Also, possibly differently priced kits. I'm interested in getting a turbo kit, but I don't plan on spending 6k on a kit that can hit 600 WHP when that's far above what I want.

[I Vtec, do you?]

Ok, why is this thread full of "Full-Race has been in contact with Hondata" and "Full-Race most certainly won't have a base tune"? The two seem very contradictory. I for one wouldn't ever buy a kit that didn't at least have a very good starting point. I just don't have anyone around me that I could trust to fully tune my car.

[soxfan143]

Ok let me clear this up. Full-Race had NO plans to release a kit for us until Hondata was in the game. Now that they are they want to know if there is enough interest in a kit for us. Full-Race has NEVER offered any type of tuning solution. What they are in contact for, I'm assuming, was to confirm the release of this product. I will confirm this for you. I do not see them including a tuning solution in their kit. If you are serious about 1 of their kits then you should be getting a custom tune anyway. Not some cookie cutter general reflash tune. And with the FlashPro you can tune yourself. I'm sure that Hondata will offer a base calibration once the kit is in full production for you all to upload into the ECU and fine tune yourselves.

[BlueSi4]

I say no sidewinder style manifold for the reasons almost everyone mentioned. I don't want to modify a bunch of other things in order to make the turbo fit, and definitely don't want to run the chance of messing up part of the engine components due to heat (fuse box, wiring, etc)

I would love to be around the 400hp mark, anything higher than that might be too much for a DD.

I really hope something great comes out, just like they have with the RSX!

Thanks Mike

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Ok let me clear this up. Full-Race had NO plans to release a kit for us until Hondata was in the game. Now that they are they want to know if there is enough interest in a kit for us. Full-Race has NEVER offered any type of tuning solution. What they are in contact for, I'm assuming, was to confirm the release of this product. I will confirm this for you. I do not see them including a tuning solution in their kit. If you are serious about 1 of their kits then you should be getting a custom tune anyway. Not some cookie cutter general reflash tune. And with the FlashPro you can tune yourself. I'm sure that Hondata will offer a base calibration once the kit is in full production for you all to upload into the ECU and fine tune yourselves.

Thanks for the info. I was poking around clubrsx, looks like these kits run around 6gs? Looks like a nice kit, but I could never spend a 1/3 of the value of my entire car on boost.

[Ronmaster901]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

Thanks for the info. I was poking around clubrsx, looks like these kits run around 6gs? Looks like a nice kit, but I could never spend a 1/3 of the value of my entire car on boost.

Im actually considering spending the complete value of my car on boost...but its reliable DD. lol

[soxfan143]

Originally Posted by Ronmaster901

Im actually considering spending the complete value of my car on boost...but its reliable DD. lol

Same here. Reliability is eveything. And I've learned something working for my buddies shop part time. He owns Ballistic Motorsports in NH and if you plan on boosting your non-factory boosted car you should have at least double what you spend on your kit set aside. Basically if you plan on spending $5K on a kit you should have another $5K set aside for when something happens. Because it is inevitable that something will go wrong. you can't spend all kinds of money on boost and expect everything to be all peachy on your first shot at it and expect your car to last like it was factory. If you are complaining about the cost of a quality kit then you should NOT even be considering boost at all. Plain and simple.

[Ronmaster901]

Originally Posted by soxfan143

Same here. Reliability is eveything. And I've learned something working for my buddies shop part time. He owns Ballistic Motorsports in NH and if you plan on boosting your non-factory boosted car you should have at least double what you spend on your kit set aside. Basically if you plan on spending $5K on a kit you should have another $5K set aside for when something happens. Because it is inevitable that something will go wrong. you can't spend all kinds of money on boost and expect everything to be all peachy on your first shot at it and expect your car to last like it was factory. If you are complaining about the cost of a quality kit then you should NOT even be considering boost at all. Plain and simple.

Agreed. 400 whp takes time, money, research, knowlege and a lot a lot a lot of patience. We arent trying to bring anyone down by telling you not to even consider forced induction. We are saving you the time because simply, people who want to go cheap are ignorant of what it actually takes to take a NA car and turn it into a reliable turboed DD.

[I Vtec, do you?]

I don't really believe that boosting a non-boosted car is as bad as everyone here makes it out to be. I hear constantly people talking about how they've been boosted for XX years with no problems. Depends on your end goals. How often do you see people on here freaking out about something breaking on their AJP kit (rarely)? And how often do you see people on here about their Greddy kit (the answer is "often" to the greddy kit)? I think if FR built a solid kit, and you aren't power-hungry for 600 WHP, 6k in unsuspecting problems would be unnecessary.