Swift Racing Tech. Si Turbo Kit

[07CivicMD]

Originally Posted by Cookstar

I saw that the two electronic boost controllers had different programmable boost settings. Would you only want to use one setting for your specific tune or can the EMS adapt to different settings? Would you have to use different maps for different boost settings?

I would think it would be dangerous for your controller to use the wrong boost setting for your tune. It seems like it could result in your engine running too rich or too lean. If that is the case, is there any way for the EBC to communicate with the EMS to make sure this doesn't happen?

Some boost controller have the ability to save 2 preset for boost levels. For example.. DD and track (race gas).. There are more expensive boost controller than can communicate with certain ECU.. but your talking aftermarket ECU's. The FlashPro has the ability to set boost cut.. so you have a boost limit set.. example for pump.. you set it at 10.5.. so even if you accidently set your boost controller for more than 10.5.. the ECU will only allow 10.5 before boost cut..

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by Cookstar

I saw that the two electronic boost controllers had different programmable boost settings. Would you only want to use one setting for your specific tune or can the EMS adapt to different settings? Would you have to use different maps for different boost settings?

I would think it would be dangerous for your controller to use the wrong boost setting for your tune. It seems like it could result in your engine running too rich or too lean. If that is the case, is there any way for the EBC to communicate with the EMS to make sure this doesn't happen?

You can set your boost controller at any level from the minimum boost (WG spring pressure, ours is 4PSI) up to a maximum boost of 10.5PSI (our recommended maximum) and your car will run safe with no issues AS LONG AS IT WAS TUNED PROPERLY. A good tuner will tune your car to run safe at any boost level and have provisions in the tuning maps that makes it safe just in case you over boost beyond your maximum safe boost level.

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by 07CivicMD

Some boost controller have the ability to save 2 preset for boost levels. For example.. DD and track (race gas).. There are more expensive boost controller than can communicate with certain ECU.. but your talking aftermarket ECU's. The FlashPro has the ability to set boost cut.. so you have a boost limit set.. example for pump.. you set it at 10.5.. so even if you accidently set your boost controller for more than 10.5.. the ECU will only allow 10.5 before boost cut..

Actually the Flash pro does not have boost cut.

[ojefferyo]

so is our kits shipping today....: laughing:

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by ojefferyo

so is our kits shipping today....: laughing:

Not just yet Jeff, For yours I am still waiting on the upgraded turbo to come in, expecting it to get here next week according to PTE.

Our silicone coupler supplier have been dragging their feet and we are waiting on two more couplers to come in. Also we made some minor improvements to the actual Turbo manifold and expect them to be finished mid next week with the improved design. We are also working on a video of the install that hopefully if everything goes well we should have it ready next week as well.

We just received the Flashpro's for all the kits yesterday, and all the other pieces are done and packed. i.e. IC piping, intercoolers, injectors, FP's etc.etc.etc.

I know all of you have patiently waited and we appreciate that very much, just a few more days and everyone should be all set! I really want this to get to all of you so you can testify to the quality of the kit and actually enjoy it!

I know most of you are off today, but we are here working today, so if you have questions please feel free to call us 301-982-4600.

[ojefferyo]

oh sweet thanks for the update, i can't wait for this kit to arrive.

[fantasySI]

just wondering, is there going to be a bung welded on the test pipe for the wideband?

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by fantasySI

just wondering, is there going to be a bung welded on the test pipe for the wideband?

If you ordered it, then yes there will be, however, it is not standard.

[Cookstar]

Is there a discount if we already have FlashPro for our cars? I just searched this thread and could not find the answer.

[07CivicMD]

Originally Posted by Cookstar

Is there a discount if we already have FlashPro for our cars? I just searched this thread and could not find the answer.

Call Mo on Monday.

[Cookstar]

I'm just asking for future reference and for others who may already have FlashPro.

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by Cookstar

Is there a discount if we already have FlashPro for our cars? I just searched this thread and could not find the answer.

Yes there is, however, to order the kit that is different from the norm will require folks to phone in their orders.

[Silversweet09]

I have a question. I have been reading other F/I threads regarding turbo applications. From previous learnings it seemed the norm for running safely boosted was around 10psi on stock internals, which is in line with what Swift is stating.

However, some other folks around here (see other popular Turbo thread) now feel that with our tuning solutions that are out, we can run much more than that on stock internals. In the neighborhood of 15-16psi.

So, my question for Swift is - with Flashpro available and the good tuning that you all have done, has your opinion on maximum boost levels for otherwise stock Si's changed at all?

Thanks in advance for your time!

[KnIghTT13]

Originally Posted by Silversweet09

I have a question. I have been reading other F/I threads regarding turbo applications. From previous learnings it seemed the norm for running safely boosted was around 10psi on stock internals, which is in line with what Swift is stating.

However, some other folks around here (see other popular Turbo thread) now feel that with our tuning solutions that are out, we can run much more than that on stock internals. In the neighborhood of 15-16psi.

So, my question for Swift is - with Flashpro available and the good tuning that you all have done, has your opinion on maximum boost levels for otherwise stock Si's changed at all?

Thanks in advance for your time!

Im sure it could be done, they do extensive testing with some serious boost levels on stock internals when building a turbo kit. Its just RECOMMENDED that you do not go higher than 10.5 psi as this is the level that would safely run the kit without sacrificing much engine life. Whenever you run higher boost applications its always smart to forge your internals, i mean really $1000 dollars for forged pistons and rods with ARP headstuds, or $3000 for repairs... Its a rhetorical question...

P.S- anything above the base boost level requires a stage 2 clutch, if not changed out, clutch will start slip as Mo from swift told me when i called asking about the kit...

[Silversweet09]

I agree wtih everyone thing you have said, and is what appears to be "conventional" logic around 8th. It's just that Geoff @ Full Race feels our internals are VERY strong and can withstand much more than 10 psi. I don't know if this has to do with how the kits are packaged or not, or more of the tune (which I suspect). I'd just like to get Roger or Mo's opinion on this.

Read the Full Race forum started by Soxfan, they go into pretty good detail there.

Thanks again.

[FA5t4d00r]

Pete: The issue now is the lack of a 4 bar map sensor. The stock map sensor can't read boost levels above 11 psi is what I was told.

[Silversweet09]

I don't think that's an issue because Hondata has the 4 bar map sensor in Flashpro and can read boost levels upwards of 40 or so...(might be a little off on the numbers)

[07CivicMD]

Originally Posted by Silversweet09

I agree wtih everyone thing you have said, and is what appears to be "conventional" logic around 8th. It's just that Geoff @ Full Race feels our internals are VERY strong and can withstand much more than 10 psi. I don't know if this has to do with how the kits are packaged or not, or more of the tune (which I suspect). I'd just like to get Roger or Mo's opinion on this.

Read the Full Race forum started by Soxfan, they go into pretty good detail there.

Thanks again.

Basically you can run whatever you feel like as for psi. The bottom line will be the car will be tuned for 9.5PSI only. Taking this beyond the limits will require a tuner that will do that or you for that matter.

Know the question.. can the car handle 14-18psi. Most likely.. but you’re talking 14-18psi on stock 11-1 compression. With F/I you’re limited on mistakes and that lvl a mistake will cost you an engine build. Rods and Pistons are relatively cheap and if you’re really wanting to push the limits.. I suggest an engine build. Mo been in the busy for awhile and even on the 2j's for which he's known for.. on stock internals he only push 15-16psi.. on lower compression motors.. But Mo's know for a conservative builder but conservative builder that makes awesome power.

If you really wanting to boost.. get a kit.. go 10psi.. see what it feels like.. Unfortuanlly boost is addictive.. i know that for a fact.. and you’re going to want more.. pistons and rods aren't super expensive.. so save.. if you want... get a 2.4 block (about a grand) and go frankenswap with a Z3 head.. You get good mild torque without sacrificing top end power.

[07CivicMD]

Originally Posted by Silversweet09

I don't think that's an issue because Hondata has the 4 bar map sensor in Flashpro and can read boost levels upwards of 40 or so...(might be a little off on the numbers)

Correct!

[Silversweet09]

Thanks for the insight Roger. What Geoff was stating is that using a thicker head gasket is a cheap way but works really well to lower the compression allowing safer use of higher boost, while still being incredibly reliable.

With that being said, as this would be my first turbo application, I would run the safely tuned 9.5 psi (if I go swift), because I want to learn the application through usage & fully understand risks before upping the boost. It's just interesting to see a different stance on safe, but of course that's all relative in the minds of the end user & tuner