ffswizzlestick

There are apparently 14 different species (yes many people used the word species) of what are considered "Darwin's finches" currently. 13 of which reside on the Galapagos islands. They eat different things. With your logic there is only 1 type of finch there because all of the rest would have died out. If Darwin observed a change in these birds then why does everyone say it takes millions of years? Is it not possible that he just couldn't find these other birds?

07BlakBlak

That was not my logic at all. I used one example of one finche. There are different species with different shaped beaks as well as length of beake on the same species. The different finches typically fill different niche's. I was specifically talking about the grub or insect eating finches eating from the trunks of trees. There are also finches who eat fruit and seeds.

This type of evolution, known as character displacement was observed over 20 years. As I said in previous posts, the unusual circumstances with the isolation of those islands rapidly increased the viewable speed of the evolution process.

Dont get me started with the pepper moths if you want a polymorphism in the same species.

The only faith based argument you can possibly argue successfully would be where it all started. All of the research, documentation and studys are on evolutions side other than the "beginning". Evolution happens, if you dont want to accept it you are choosing not to despite overwhelming evidence. If you choose to believe there is a higher being guiding and looking over and something who started it....I cannot argue with that. I simply cannot explain how well it works or where it started. If you are looking to cling to something.....alleyoop i guess? spelling?

Janizary

Including the zombie debate?

Unlike the flat earth, Zombies are a FACT. The UN and their black helos have been trying to hide this for decades. The W.H.O. is actually a front for the UN's special initiative to stabilize major economies in order for the fight against the Z's to continue.

American Television and Movies have been preparing us for years for 'eventual' day when Z's invade North America (see other threads for news on the fight at the Panama Canal).

Executive orders have been signed athorizing the use of Nuclear weapons on major metropolitan centers, in the event of an outbreak Z's.

Janizary

And just so we don't seem biased:

Zechariah 14:12 describes a plague from the Lord that turns the enemy nations of Jerusalem into zombies!

Orbit1

My god where did you guys go to school so I know where NOT to send my kids.

Here's ONE OF MANY papers published on observed evolution in a lab (yes, using the scientific method)

Natural selection's fingerprint identified on fruit fly evolution

Janizary

Who uses the words "Wherewith"?

Regardless, with the evolution of Slow Zombies into Fast Zombies, you need to know your enemy and how to survive the coming 'End of Days'.

How to Survive a Zombie Attack || kuro5hin.org

BBC - h2g2 - How to Survive a Zombie Attack (UG)

How To Survive a Zombie Attack, In Plain English | Laughing Squid

YouTube - What To Do In A Zombie Attack

atruhondagrl

Just like the devil, Jarnath, does not force our hands but influences our decisions and ideas allowing us to carry out his evil plan.


Wohahahaha. Evil Jarnath. Sorry, I couldn't help it. I've been at work all day, I log on and I see a conversation about Zombies? It doesn't get any weirder than that.

Orbit1

That site looks like it was put together by some bible freak with a stolen copy of frontpage 98. Anytime "Prayer" and "Rosary" links are listed I tend to doubt the objectivity of their subject.

It's like the books my family gives me when trying to convince me to convert to christianity, they say that they disprove the science of evolution and prove creationism yet strangely they are all written by bible scholars and pastors...hmmm

Janizary

This is what our leaders want us to think!! Don't fall for group-think fallacies. Knowing that Z's are out there will give you that much more of an advantage when the rest your neighbors are in a panic as they cross the Rio Grande.

ffswizzlestick

That paper proves that there are two different flies. They are assuming a split millions of years ago.

ffswizzlestick

Of course they are. People that base their life on evolution aren't going to want to disprove it.

atruhondagrl

Paxil turns people into Zombies.

Janizary

Googling Paxil Zombie turns up many interesting results.

That aside, more information on surviving the Z invasion:

The Zombie, A Scientific Article - Zombie Survival & Defense Wiki

atruhondagrl

I'm just going to keep reading the Walking Dead and see where that goes.

sgtpruitt

Jism it's all about the Jism

0720Steve

evolution in a lab.....you're funny

Jaranath

Hehe, sorry friend, wrong “Jaranath” there.

Yes, they would, wouldn't they?

Ffswizzlestick, understand that I'm careful with insults and careful with word usage, such that when I say you demonstrate an enormous amount of scientific ignorance here, it does not mean and is in no way intended to imply something like “You are a disgustingly stupid git.” Because I doubt that's the case. Ignorance is lack of knowledge, nothing more. I'm quite happy to admit my own staggering ignorance on any number of subjects. It's unfortunate that these days people falsely equate the term with “unintelligent” and use it disparagingly.

At any rate, given your current “lack of knowledge,” there isn't much of a productive conversation we can manage here. I'd recommend you spend a few months here:

talkorigins

and in particular this incredibly helpful section:

Index to Creationist Claims

though it appears from your comments that you also have fundamental issues with grasping the scientific method and basic standards of scientific evidence. So I might also recommend a good undergraduate biology curriculum, with an emphasis on evolutionary biology and philosophy of science/critical thinking. And no, that's not a joke, though I'm well aware how impractical that proposition is for most people. It would nevertheless help enormously.

With all of that said...from your comments you appear to be a Young-Earth creationist, and it appears that you (as is typical for YECs) reject common descent and embrace special creation. So if nothing else, I'm hoping I can prime your curiosity with the following: During the Dover trial, Ken Miller offered two excellent, layman's-terms examples of typical evidence for common descent. You can find them here:

Ken Miller's Dover testimony

Just start reading at the section that the link takes you to (plagiarized errors in hemoglobin genes), and continue through to the end of his discussion of a chromosomal fusion event in the history of human evolution. If that whets your appetite, you can learn more here:

The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Jaranath

Not at all.

Orbit1

*Slow Clap*

0720Steve

i'll stick with my previous statement.