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You must have never lived in Germany... Cause it is def not a boring place to live. Every weekend there is some kind of festival,traveling is great cause it is centralized in Europe. Night life is great!!!, Beer is cheaper than water, Legal prostitution, relax drug laws, Free health care that dosnt suck, strict laws on cars so there are no ****ty cars driving around, better recycling programs, great snowboarding, No speed limits on some of the Autobahn, Less cops harassing you, No smog, more tree's, better food, more small buisnesses, less advertisments, FANTA! is so much better than in the states, Mcdonalds and burger king off base are 10x's better then in the states, better roads, speeding tickets cost less, smoking is not legal in most resturants and the ones its allowed has big signs on the door, almost every resturant has outside seating, DONER KABABS, Nicer people, Better quality products, Organic produce is the regular not somthing they charge a arm and a leg for, Food coloring is illegal, mild summers, dosnt snow very much, all around much prettier country that people who live in it take care of, Sundays are family days and people are out ridding bikes and enoying being outside not stuck inside watching boob tube, LESS FAT PEOPLE!!!, NO walmarts, No unessisary big ass trucks driving around less homeless people, all jobs are respected and given a good living wage... i can keep going on and on if you want
**** making me want to move, wonder if VW would transfer me for work

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People in Germany work to live not live to work... Not mindless consumers

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Another thing ive learned about the Germans are they are perfectionist, they dont half ass anything for example most germans will say they dont speak english even though its mandatory in school and they can. The reason is they rather not do it if they can not do it 100%. I can respect this, it usually means things take longer but you know when its done it will be done right the first time. My neighbors invite me over their house just to sit and practice their english and have a beer. Most Germans can speak mulitple languages
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Another thing ive learned about the Germans are they are perfectionist, they dont half ass anything for example most germans will say they dont speak english even though its mandatory in school and they can. The reason is they rather not do it if they can not do it 100%. I can respect this, it usually means things take longer but you know when its done it will be done right the first time. My neighbors invite me over their house just to sit and practice their english and have a beer. Most Germans can speak mulitple languages
Being in an apprenticeship program for VW as a mechatronics engineer I can tell you they are definitely perfectionists I can agree with that. Everything I do has to be exact you look at things a lot differently after doing things like this..
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You must have never lived in Germany... Cause it is def not a boring place to live. Every weekend there is some kind of festival,traveling is great cause it is centralized in Europe. Night life is great!!!, Beer is cheaper than water, Legal prostitution, relax drug laws, Free health care that dosnt suck, strict laws on cars so there are no ****ty cars driving around, better recycling programs, great snowboarding, No speed limits on some of the Autobahn, Less cops harassing you, No smog, more tree's, better food, more small buisnesses, less advertisments, FANTA! is so much better than in the states, Mcdonalds and burger king off base are 10x's better then in the states, better roads, speeding tickets cost less, smoking is not legal in most resturants and the ones its allowed has big signs on the door, almost every resturant has outside seating, DONER KABABS, Nicer people, Better quality products, Organic produce is the regular not somthing they charge a arm and a leg for, Food coloring is illegal, mild summers, dosnt snow very much, all around much prettier country that people who live in it take care of, Sundays are family days and people are out ridding bikes and enoying being outside not stuck inside watching boob tube, LESS FAT PEOPLE!!!, NO walmarts, No unessisary big ass trucks driving around less homeless people, all jobs are respected and given a good living wage... i can keep going on and on if you want.

All i can say is the Quality of life is better here
I personally hate their work life balance. We here know nothing about that and we are apparently a lazy country yet are amongst the most over worked.
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Most stuff other than Bars/resturants/grocery stores/gas stations are closed by 6pm and never opened on Sundays or Holidays... more time to live and be with family. You dont need a 24 hour walmart to buy stuff you dont need cause some commecial you saw on TV tells you to buy it
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Things that bothers me about America... Everything is fast has to be 24hrs has to have wifi have to have some new gadget or cell phone to disconnect you from the real world, Oh your feeling a little sick here take these pills get your vaccines drink your fluorinated water... BS I see it on base we go to a resturant and look over the tables and everyone is on a phone or Ipad not interacting not talking they stuff there face then leave. Germany diner is a couple hour event you hang out, talk, drink a beer the waitress dosnt bug you every couple minutes trying to get you to leave
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^I agree for the most part. All of the European countries I've been to are pretty much like that. Much more laid back and relaxed than we are in the US - even in the bigger cities.
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Rojopunx, what parts of America have you spent some serious time in? Not trying to be a jerk; I'm genuinely curious. Some of the things that you keep mentioning (especially the smog) are really only issues in some major cities.
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Mostly San Diego and Northern california... But being in the Military ive been all over the world and states. Im sure its clean and smogwouldnt be so bad in some little cow town somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Maybe im being too critical

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That's probably one of the best perks of the military; traveling on someone else's dime. A buddy of mine was stationed in Japan for a few years back when he was in the Air Force. It seemed like a pretty sweet experience. I highly doubt I would like serving in the military, but I do have to admit that I am jealous of the travel aspect.

Just saw your edit. Not sure if you've been to the Midwest, but it is much more relaxed than urban CA. I just moved back to Omaha after living in Irvine for around 1.5 years. Night and day difference. No place is going to be perfect for everyone; it's all personal preference. Which I think is what this thread really boils down to.

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Its got its benifits...
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I can agree with the preference thing... Im just not drinking America is the best place in the world Kool-Aid the Media puts out


I will fight and die for it cause i believe in it

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You must have never lived in Germany... Cause it is def not a boring place to live. Every weekend there is some kind of festival,traveling is great cause it is centralized in Europe. Night life is great!!!, Beer is cheaper than water, Legal prostitution, relax drug laws, Free health care that dosnt suck, strict laws on cars so there are no ****ty cars driving around, better recycling programs, great snowboarding, No speed limits on some of the Autobahn, Less cops harassing you, No smog, more tree's, better food, more small buisnesses, less advertisments, FANTA! is so much better than in the states, Mcdonalds and burger king off base are 10x's better then in the states, better roads, speeding tickets cost less, smoking is not legal in most resturants and the ones its allowed has big signs on the door, almost every resturant has outside seating, DONER KABABS, Nicer people, Better quality products, Organic produce is the regular not somthing they charge a arm and a leg for, Food coloring is illegal, mild summers, dosnt snow very much, all around much prettier country that people who live in it take care of, Sundays are family days and people are out ridding bikes and enoying being outside not stuck inside watching boob tube, LESS FAT PEOPLE!!!, NO walmarts, No unessisary big ass trucks driving around less homeless people, all jobs are respected and given a good living wage... i can keep going on and on if you want.

All i can say is the Quality of life is better here
+1 for the Fanta lol!

Most of the post sounds like socialism to me though. No thank you! That's one of the things I dislike greatly about Europe. Another thing is that everything is so darned expensive.

"Nicer people" - somewhat true. People in Europe do not really smile at you in the streets or greet you. However, if/when you get to know them, they can be very genuine and kind people. Conversely, in America people generally smile at you on the street and great you with a "how are you," even though it may be superficial. It's really your preference.
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+1 for the Fanta lol!

Most of the post sounds like socialism to me though. No thank you! That's one of the things I dislike greatly about Europe. Another thing is that everything is so darned expensive.

"Nicer people" - somewhat true. People in Europe do not really smile at you in the streets or greet you. However, if/when you get to know them, they can be very genuine and kind people. Conversely, in America people generally smile at you on the street and great you with a "how are you," even though it may be superficial. It's really your preference.
Look at the Index of Economic Freedom (Index of Economic: Promoting Economic Opportunity and Prosperity), figured I'd use the Hertiage Foundation so conservatives would be more inclined to take it seriously.

See everyone ranked above the US? They all have some form of universal healthcare as well.
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Most stuff other than Bars/resturants/grocery stores/gas stations are closed by 6pm and never opened on Sundays or Holidays... more time to live and be with family. You dont need a 24 hour walmart to buy stuff you dont need cause some commecial you saw on TV tells you to buy it
Telling me I have never lived in Germany so I cant say its boring is funny. Its a widely held view that German towns are VERY boring for the exact reasons you think they are great

Lets take a look
I can surf in the morning - ski in the afternoon - drive to Vegas or I can visit 4 amusement parks/3 waterparks - shop in Rodeo Drive or Newport beach - go sailing - sky diving - scuba diving - drive through the canyons of mailibu - the mohave desert or the winding coastal roads - I can watch the Angels, the Dodgers, the Lakers, the Clippers, the Kings, the Ducks, NHRA Drag Racing, Stock car Racing, LA phil harmonic or a HOST of huge acts in music playing at various venues in and around the city --

When I say BORING I mean it....no german town could ever offer this level of attractions or events

The beauty is I can do all of these things 7 days a week when I FEEL like doing them...not during a "workweek" imposed by some sort of artificial mandate

When I take my daughter out on the weekend I enjoy being able to actually DO stuff rather than just vist the park....while both are good the FUN part of going out to Rainforrest Cafe (her fave) is I can do it on the weekend too.

If your trying to paint Germany as an "attraction" you are competing with a town that people the world over come to visit....the LA area is a royal flush compared to any german town when it comes to entertainment.

Did I mention it doesnt SNOW in LA?

Yes there are social problems - sometimes when you give people too much freedom they are lost by the decisions they have to make on their own....but the upside is those responsible enough to cut it have the best available options.

Our healthcare trumps the world - people from overseas study HERE and our medical research is top notch...because of $$$$ to be gained when it can be sold to the public.

Telling me socialized medicine is even close is laughable....they are always near bankruptcy and the waiting list for appointments and care is tragic.

Telling me Germany isnt boring when Ive grown up in LA is like telling me watching paint dry isnt so bad if you have the right perspective

Again - boring isnt always bad but having OPTIONS certainly doesnt hurt....the demand to LIVE in LA far outweighs the bad which is why we have so many people from so many places trying to cram into a city that was never designed to house that kind of population.

What is readily apparent is that being a young country of immigrants we dont all assemble behind ONE culture much in way the Germans do....culture and an appreciation for things of a HIGHER order is where Germany might be ahead of the avg American city but most of it is old world vs the new world. We dont have too many things older than a few hundred years where Europe has things that are thousands of years old lol....

While Germany has had generation after generation to establish itself keep in mind America is pretty damn young and most familes here have just a few generations to trace....mostly young immigrants with very little...but have built a country strong and dynamic from a fabric of old world cultures and new world adventurism.

Whereas we may be a little crass - we are still young. As time marches on we will have less ignorance and more culture....we are a BIG country....this much land for 350 million people is ridiculous and if you have ever driven across the country (I have several times) you can see how much SPACE seperates everyone....leading to areas of ignorance -- but eventually as everyone comes closer together culture naturally rubs off on people.

Germany is 81 million strong in less space than the STATE of California....81% of citizens are Germans....established family lines ....with a GDP of 3 trillion...

California -- 37 million folks - GDP of 1.9 Trillion and a per capita income of 51,000 US dollars (higher than Germany) ....there is no such thing as a native californian unless you count the "native americans" to which is probably less than 1% of the state population. These are all immigrants.

In perspective California's economy is the size of Italy or Spain ....

When ONE of our 50 states has the economic power of an entire COUNTRY....that should tell you our economic system is pretty damn good and our freedoms led immigrants here to WORK and GROW WEALTHY in a FREE society.....not one where the government dictates your life.

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Telling me I have never lived in Germany so I cant say its boring is funny. Its a widely held view that German towns are VERY boring for the exact reasons you think they are great

Lets take a look
I can surf in the morning - ski in the afternoon - drive to Vegas or I can visit 4 amusement parks/3 waterparks - shop in Rodeo Drive or Newport beach - go sailing - sky diving - scuba diving - drive through the canyons of mailibu - the mohave desert or the winding coastal roads - I can watch the Angels, the Dodgers, the Lakers, the Clippers, the Kings, the Ducks, NHRA Drag Racing, Stock car Racing, LA phil harmonic or a HOST of huge acts in music playing at various venues in and around the city --

When I say BORING I mean it....no german town could ever offer this level of attractions or events

The beauty is I can do all of these things 7 days a week when I FEEL like doing them...not during a "workweek" imposed by some sort of artificial mandate

When I take my daughter out on the weekend I enjoy being able to actually DO stuff rather than just vist the park....while both are good the FUN part of going out to Rainforrest Cafe (her fave) is I can do it on the weekend too.

If your trying to paint Germany as an "attraction" you are competing with a town that people the world over come to visit....the LA area is a royal flush compared to any german town when it comes to entertainment.

Did I mention it doesnt SNOW in LA?

Yes there are social problems - sometimes when you give people too much freedom they are lost by the decisions they have to make on their own....but the upside is those responsible enough to cut it have the best available options.

Our healthcare trumps the world - people from overseas study HERE and our medical research is top notch...because of $$$$ to be gained when it can be sold to the public.

Telling me socialized medicine is even close is laughable....they are always near bankruptcy and the waiting list for appointments and care is tragic.

Telling me Germany isnt boring when Ive grown up in LA is like telling me watching paint dry isnt so bad if you have the right perspective

Again - boring isnt always bad but having OPTIONS certainly doesnt hurt....the demand to LIVE in LA far outweighs the bad which is why we have so many people from so many places trying to cram into a city that was never designed to house that kind of population.

What is readily apparent is that being a young country of immigrants we dont all assemble behind ONE culture much in way the Germans do....culture and an appreciation for things of a HIGHER order is where Germany might be ahead of the avg American city but most of it is old world vs the new world. We dont have too many things older than a few hundred years where Europe has things that are thousands of years old lol....

While Germany has had generation after generation to establish itself keep in mind America is pretty damn young and most familes here have just a few generations to trace....mostly young immigrants with very little...but have built a country strong and dynamic from a fabric of old world cultures and new world adventurism.

Whereas we may be a little crass - we are still young. As time marches on we will have less ignorance and more culture....we are a BIG country....this much land for 350 million people is ridiculous and if you have ever driven across the country (I have several times) you can see how much SPACE seperates everyone....leading to areas of ignorance -- but eventually as everyone comes closer together culture naturally rubs off on people.

Germany is 81 million strong in less space than the STATE of California....81% of citizens are Germans....established family lines ....with a GDP of 3 trillion...

California -- 37 million folks - GDP of 1.9 Trillion and a per capita income of 51,000 US dollars (higher than Germany) ....there is no such thing as a native californian unless you count the "native americans" to which is probably less than 1% of the state population. These are all immigrants.

In perspective California's economy is the size of Italy or Spain ....

When ONE of our 50 states has the economic power of an entire COUNTRY....that should tell you our economic system is pretty damn good and our freedoms led immigrants here to WORK and GROW WEALTHY in a FREE society.....not one where the government dictates your life.

Just saying
I'd rather shove a bucket full of black mambas down my pants than to have to spend more than one week in LA much less live there.

I'd take Germany over Southern California any day of the week. I put LA alongside Greenland in the rating scale I have for "Places I think are awesome".

I just loathe the nouveau riche attitude people have there and the overall lack of intelligence I find most people there have (not saying you're stupid though). I guess that's expected in a town full of aspiring actors, writers and professional coke addicts. This is also the city that had a mass riot when the Lakers WON the NBA Finals...they were doin it wrong.

I much prefer Northern California though. Besides, Germany makes Audis and BMWs. California gave Michael Bay a job in directing. Germany wins.

I also find that Europeans tend to know more about American politics than....Americans themselves do. When I was in Ireland people naturally ask what part of America I'm from so when I tell them Washington DC they always start going on about American politics. More than one was terrified of Michelle Bachmann (this was back when she was, for some reason, viewed as a viable candidate for the GOP ticket).

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I'd rather shove a bucket full of black mambas down my pants than to have to spend more than one week in LA much less live there.

I'd take Germany over Southern California any day of the week. I put LA alongside Greenland in the rating scale I have for "Places I think are awesome".

I just loathe the nouveau riche attitude people have there and the overall lack of intelligence I find most people there have (not saying you're stupid though). I guess that's expected in a town full of aspiring actors, writers and professional coke addicts. This is also the city that had a mass riot when the Lakers WON the NBA Finals...they were doin it wrong.

I much prefer Northern California though. Besides, Germany makes Audis and BMWs. California gave Michael Bay a job in directing. Germany wins.

I also find that Europeans tend to know more about American politics than....Americans themselves do. When I was in Ireland people naturally ask what part of America I'm from so when I tell them Washington DC they always start going on about American politics. More than one was terrified of Michelle Bachmann (this was back when she was, for some reason, viewed as a viable candidate for the GOP ticket).
Its illegal to have an abortion in Ireland....and your telling me they are "terrified" of a Woman who isnt trying to end free choice? Sure

In terms of your "riot" example which is ONE sports riot for a CHAMPIONSHIP in a city of 10+ million...Germans are just model citizens right? I mean such a well manered cultured group wouldnt dare defy police or visiting teams right?

Action urged after German football riots - Yahoo! Sports Singapore

Police say the violence had been organised by hooligans, known as "ultras" in Germany, from both clubs and a group of 600 Schalke fans was attacked by masked Dortmund supporters en route to the stadium which led to police intervention.

A restaurant near the stadium was demolished by Dortmund fans who used the furnishings as weapons as police officers were pelted with pieces of pavement during clashes.

"The forms of violence shown against opposing fans and also police officers should not be tolerated by the clubs and politicians," added Caffier.


Los Angeles is easily 30 miles in any direction with land on it....and you probably experienced .00001% of it in a week

Did you attend parites in the Hollywood Hills? Did you bar hop in Manhattan Beach?

You know WHY they keep track of our politics? Beacause WE keep them from being over run by other countries so what happens in America actually effects them...substantially...Im not making excuses for the general lack of enthusiasm Americans have for european politics but given the disticnt nature of various groups even within ONE euro country -- trying to keep abreast of ALL of them, their factions, their agendas and nonsense would really be a waste of time for most Americans who little effect on them other than to perhaps point out the country on a map.

Our president is known as LEADER of the FREE world...so what happens here is naturally of HUGE importance. Is Germany gonna save us? Not likely - their economic power is barely above California --- their military -- its coming along but given their tiny budget you can only expect so much.

They make a decent auto -- Audi - yuk - electrical issues - no thanks -- Ferraris come from Italy but Im not about to leave the sates because they make kick ass cars....do you buy German TVs?

If you focus on judging slums your going to stay away from most American metros as they all have "bad" parts of town.

Given those of us here are probably not career criminals I find it easier to compare where someone who might enjoy the FINER things in life would like to live.

California is such a place - sure, the broke folks live in crime infested cities -- but for those who have risen higher....life is awesome in LA lol.....the homes, the venues -- the weather -- the opportunities

As of 2006 there were 663,394 MILLIONAIRES in California...as of 2011 Germany only has about 960k or so ....America has more than 5.2 million Millionaires

These are folks who have 1+ million in actual assets under management...not just home value crap...actual AuM

You like your computer? Standford University is why we have Silicon Valley in CA...you like movies? Hollywood ring a bell?

If you ever happen to come back to SoCal I will be more than happy to show you around...we can even visit the Benz dealerships I worked/been associated with Disclaimer: I am not a millionaire....yet
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"Telling me Germany isnt boring when Ive grown up in LA"

I grew up in San Diego lived there 19 Years, Lived 7 Years by San Francisco and now almost 3 years in Germany... Ive gone home to SD on leave for a month and after a week couldn't wait to get back to Germany cause i was bored even with Family there. I dont have fun hanging out at the mall or walking around stores

Lets see I can go to London, Paris, Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin, Munich, Rome, Dublin, Venice, Belgium, Luxembourg, Swiss Alps, Austrian Alps... all within driving/cheap train ride/Air bus

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For example i have a 4 day weekend for thanksgiving next week and im going to Rome, Italy... Id say that is alot better then going to Las Vegas or Disney land

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