aki

This simply isn't true.

The TOTAL CO2 output in 2005 was 28 billion metric tons, so wherever you got your figure it's incorrect.

EIA - International Energy Outlook 2008-Energy-Related Carbon Dioxide Emissions

Furthermore, anthropogenic CO2 is a bigger issue with non-OECD countries.

And I still don't see any source that discusses how much CO2 is produced naturally vs. how much is man-made.

ryker

In general I like the idea of taxing bad things. But who gets to decide the bad things in life. A washington politician thats been bought and paid for by the rich.

Perhaps your computer screen size is too large and you get a tax. Perhaps you've used your computer for too long today and you get a tax.

Never trust the Govt to do anything correctly. Good intentions can go very wrong.

denooch

I like britains TV tax. Supposedly no commercials =)

aki

I think the difference between the far left and far right is where people place their faith in. Far right (Libertarian) place the faith on the individual. Far left (Communist) place it with the govt. Our founding fathers were (rightly) suspicious of govt, hence all the checks and balances (some which seemed to have bypassed and ignored).

I'm not opposed to spending on global warming, but so much of the momentum seems based on emotional pleas than concrete data. Everything from "your children will be drowning in water!" to "poor polar bears will have no land and die!"

What angers me is the deceptive practices of those saying global warming is true, which only makes skeptics like myself very suspicious. Or, from very craptastic analysis of graphs. "See this CO2 spike here? It coincides with the industrial revolution... it MUST be because of the industrial revolution. Lets spend billions!"

Let's takes exes graph for example:


The implication in that graph is that the majority of the increased CO2 is anthropogenic--that is, we caused it. But take into account naturally produced CO2, and you see the anthropogenic CO2 is extremely small.

This paper details natural and anthropogenic CO2 output:
Why does atmospheric CO2 rise

In the section "Carbon Flux", you'll see that:
Naturally-produced CO2 comes out to 440 GtC, or 1614 gigatons of CO2.
Anthropogenic CO2 is 21 GtC, or 78.171 gigatons of CO2.

If you do the math, manmade CO2 is 4.2% of total CO2. Being generous and rounding up the number, naturally-produced CO2 accounts for a whopping 95% of total CO2.

Does that mean global warming is false? Not necessarily. But does that mean that graph above is wrongfully deceiving the masses into believing the bulk of CO2 produced is anthropogenic? It sure does. I HATE selective knowledge, and scientists are guilty of picking and choosing data that they like, and throwing out others. It's especially the case with global warming.

If global warming is true, why the need for selective (biased) knowledge? Why the deceitful graphs that, by omission, implicate the bulk of CO2 produced is due to humans? When scientists are trying to manipulate people by bending facts to suit their own opinions, that's when I get very wary.

ryker

You would think we as a nation would be a hell of a lot smarter after what the "Experts", Media and Politicians of all political sides did to lie and trick us into war with Iraq.

It's been shown how the use of catch phrases and scary media pictures/video was used with in a three month period that turned the people into linking Sadaam with 9/11 and then was used to get us into this war/invasion/occupation.

akronmusician413

i hate politcans but i think global warming is true...its just not caused by cars getting bad mpgs

Bryan 07'CoupeEX

You can't be serious. I don't really want to get into this but i will say investing money into climate change could be one of the best investments that we could make. Everything runs on energy and with that having a economy based around the ability to create renewable energy instead of depleting the current reserves of oil/coal. If we keep ignoring the fact that we need to find new energy sources from other sources than coal/oil than were ******.

aki

Having renewable energy is somewhat of a different topic, as I mentioned earlier. I never said I'm against renewable energy. My contention is looking to renewable energy assuming that fossil fuels are what causes global warming.

Plus, renewable energy is bogged down by political/constituent garbage--by both Democrats and Republicans. I'm all for renewable energy, namely, biodiesel. Biodiesel made from Jatropha has a lower freezing point than aviation fuel. The high freezing point of diesel has been one of the biggest arguments against diesel, yet here we have a very viable source.

Why don't we use biodiesel? Because Democrats line their money pockets with corn farmers (Iowa), and the farmers rely on massive govt. subsidies to remain profitable. How does corn relate to renewable energy? It makes Ethanol, the most useless waste of money. It's expensive, has crappy fuel economy, and isn't energy efficient.

So yes I'm all for renewable energy. The irony is that while Democrats cry out against global warming, they let their wallets and constituencies prevent progress for renewable energy. Don't expect this to change with Obama, as he's firmly committed to investing more money into ethanol (McCain was against it).

ryker

Also due to FFV. Flex Fuel Vehicules that GM and Ford produced. Most FFV were the larger SUV and trucks. They sold them as FFV knowing that there isn't no where enough gas stations for people to buy e85 and that e85 gets way less MPG. It allowed them to recieve an EPA credit so they could produce lower EPA MPG standard vehicules.

I love biodiesel. Used to go out of my way to buy it and would carry 5 5 gallon jugs to get me a months worth at a time. How ever using 100% BioD in modern engines isn't something we've figured out yet. Yes you can use 100% bioD. But there is issues. In the new diesel cars any more than 10% bioD contiminates the engine oil and requires early oil changes.

Not upto speed on what OTR big truck or trains need.

striker_1818

haha
1- "Nicotine is NOT addictive!"
1962- Tabacco Company swearing in Congress.
State of Arkansas v. American Tobacco Co., et al (complaint)(5/5/97)

2- "The Jewish Holocaust is a myth"
Hamas and most Arab countries belief

3. "Global Warming is a big lie"
Fox news & oil companies' "scientists".

striker_1818

By the way,
Anyone remember or know of the black blizzard/Dust Bowl of the 1930's?
It was your typical dust storm that became a blizzard thanks to us, humans and affected 70% of the US.