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Old 12-16-2008, 02:01 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Let's keep polluting on a massive scale and pretend nothing will ever happen. Ignorance is bliss right?
lets keep thinking that just because we have good intentions we must automatically be doing whats best.
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Then it comes down to what pollution is. Is CO2 pollution? Its natural. Water vapor retains heat just like CO2. Does that make water a pollutant?
More so the amount of the CO2 gas being dumped into the air that may possibly be changing the environment. CO2 is a natural occurring gas, yes, and the rate we have been pouring it out in addition to the natural occurring amount is questionable. CO2 is not the only wonderful gas going up there.

Now to what pollution is... I would have to say anything that throws off the balance of nature is pollution. And when I say pollution, anything being added/altered/destroyed by human activities. I connect human created pollution=bad... natural=good.

Tell me that stench you smell in the morning from warming up your car, or the black goodness coming out of big rigs that gives you a headache is great for the environment and health.

Global warming, global dimming, global cooling.... Pollution... I'd have to say this is our present day, "world is flat" ideology/political/government/world dilemma, we as a global society need to figure out.

Do we need something on a global scale to occur, before we come to realization to what we are doing? With rapidly industrialized countries like China and India coming to play, what can we expect?

I know some places are seeing more drastic changes temperature/physical changes than others. Natural...? Why mess with something as great and perfect as our one and only planet? Why even take the risk to find out the after affects?
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Old 12-16-2008, 02:18 AM   #43 (permalink)
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More so the amount of the CO2 gas being dumped into the air that may possibly be changing the environment. CO2 is a natural occurring gas, yes, and the rate we have been pouring it out in addition to the natural occurring amount is questionable. CO2 is not the only wonderful gas going up there.

Now to what pollution is... I would have to say anything that throws off the balance of nature is pollution. And when I say pollution, anything being added/altered/destroyed by human activities. I connect human created pollution=bad... natural=good.

Tell me that stench you smell in the morning from warming up your car, or the black goodness coming out of big rigs that gives you a headache is great for the environment and health.

Global warming, global dimming, global cooling.... Pollution... I'd have to say this is our present day, "world is flat" ideology/political/government/world dilemma, we as a global society need to figure out.

Do we need something on a global scale to occur, before we come to realization to what we are doing? With rapidly industrialized countries like China and India coming to play, what can we expect?

I know some places are seeing more drastic changes temperature/physical changes than others. Natural...? Why mess with something as great and perfect as our one and only planet? Why even take the risk to find out the after affects?
I don't think that we know enough about what goes on in the long run to determine what is good or bad.
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Old 12-16-2008, 02:31 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Then it comes down to what pollution is. Is CO2 pollution? Its natural. Water vapor retains heat just like CO2. Does that make water a pollutant?
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I don't think that we know enough about what goes on in the long run to determine what is good or bad.
Then why question my original post if you agree with me. You would rather wait and find out. I'll humor you, let's just assume we are doing good by polluting. No, wait even better, let's pollute even more and wait to see if it's good or bad. I like surprises, you must too.

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lets keep thinking that just because we have good intentions we must automatically be doing whats best.
Yup that's the only way.
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Let's keep polluting on a massive scale and pretend nothing will ever happen. Ignorance is bliss right?
never said i didn't care about the environment. i do my part to keep the earth clean, but does that mean i'm going to believe a big hoax with no scientific evidence to support it? i think not.
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:16 AM   #46 (permalink)
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never said i didn't care about the environment. i do my part to keep the earth clean, but does that mean i'm going to believe a big hoax with no scientific evidence to support it? i think not.
There is scientific evidence that global warming DOES exist. There is no scientific evidence that global warming does not exist.
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:16 AM   #47 (permalink)
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More so the amount of the CO2 gas being dumped into the air that may possibly be changing the environment. CO2 is a natural occurring gas, yes, and the rate we have been pouring it out in addition to the natural occurring amount is questionable. CO2 is not the only wonderful gas going up there.

Now to what pollution is... I would have to say anything that throws off the balance of nature is pollution. And when I say pollution, anything being added/altered/destroyed by human activities. I connect human created pollution=bad... natural=good.

Tell me that stench you smell in the morning from warming up your car, or the black goodness coming out of big rigs that gives you a headache is great for the environment and health.

Global warming, global dimming, global cooling.... Pollution... I'd have to say this is our present day, "world is flat" ideology/political/government/world dilemma, we as a global society need to figure out.

Do we need something on a global scale to occur, before we come to realization to what we are doing? With rapidly industrialized countries like China and India coming to play, what can we expect?

I know some places are seeing more drastic changes temperature/physical changes than others. Natural...? Why mess with something as great and perfect as our one and only planet? Why even take the risk to find out the after affects?
95% of CO2 emissions are from natural sources, so based on this claim if CO2 is the cause of the rising temperatures then we have no control over it. i guess we can stop breathing, since exhaling emits CO2
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There is scientific evidence that global warming DOES exist. There is no scientific evidence that global warming does not exist.
read through the thread. there absolutely is. when two planets 35 million miles from each other heat up at identical rates factual conclusions can be drawn.
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:21 AM   #49 (permalink)
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read through the thread. there absolutely is. when two planets 35 million miles from each other heat up at identical rates factual conclusions can be drawn.
They took samples from artic ice. Co2 gets trapped once ice age starts so they are able to measure an approximate by using carbon dating(C-14) and the amount found. Then, you put that in a chart and you get a graph. It is a natural occurance which people in the middle ages experienced as well as an ice age in the 1600's which were all documented.
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Old 12-16-2008, 04:25 AM   #50 (permalink)
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95% of CO2 emissions are from natural sources, so based on this claim if CO2 is the cause of the rising temperatures then we have no control over it. i guess we can stop breathing, since exhaling emits CO2
Math! How much CO2 is emitted by human on earth annually? small-m
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:23 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Global warming is total bs,the earth has always been warming up even before Humans arrived. Al Gore and the Eco terrorists are a bunch of frauds and hypocrites. Just look at what the dem controlled congress wants to do,we are in a record high defeceit thanks to a dumb**** president and dumb**** congress. The gov't wants to control GM,Ford,Chrysler and force them to build efficient cars and even the politicians want to design a car! The CAFE standard was a huge mistake and it should of never even got passed,what that bill does is it forces automakers to build efficient cars or face strict penalties. Let the markets decide on what people want to buy. The government needs to mind it's own business and stay out of the free market.

I think we need to drill our own oil desperately and work on alternative fuels at the same time. What the green terrorists don't get is that the prius pollutes more than a hummer due to the battery. Don't get me wrong,pollution needs to stop but China and India are two of the biggest contributors to pollution not America. I'm sick of hippy liberals trying to force their ideology on people. I'll drive whatever i want to drive,stop telling me how to live my life,you don't know me so STFU and GTFO!

Why does Al Gore have a huge mansion that burns more energy than several homes combined? why does he have a private jet? Earth needs to be cleaned up but with populations sky rocketing and food is going to run low how are we going to survive? thats where the two child law comes into play,people should only have two kids per family,no more no less. The problem is that people are breeding and over populating at an ridiculous rate and the education system is getting worse year by year,I'm shocked by the number of ignorant people this country has,some people don't even know who the president is! or who controls congress! Plus kids get stuff handed down by their parents,they don't learn anything and they don't know what it's like to work and live in the real world. PS i hate those damn windmills and the WEpowerAmerica propaganda lie ads,the windmills don't do jack **** and it's been proven plus they look scary and an eye sore. Global Warming is bull**** and is a scare tactic being used by the communist radical environmentalists (mostly radical leftists). I do believe like i said that we need clean energy,clean coal,our own oil/gas,natural gas,bio fuels,nuclear etc. I also support hunting but not for sport,if you hunt then you intend to eat if you do it for sport thats wrong and should be illegal,we need to preserve our planet and animals just in a way thats different and better than what the radical environmentalists intend on trying to do and envision.

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Old 12-16-2008, 09:27 AM   #52 (permalink)
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There is scientific evidence that global warming DOES exist. There is no scientific evidence that global warming does not exist.
Yes there is proof that global warming does not exist.

Also proof that the earth goes through temp cycles. Not to long ago in the 1940-1970's its was a global cooling phase.

No conclusive proof that humans are the sole and/or major cause of global warming. And/or that it is a bad thing.

How many trees could you have planted with the time it will take for you to argue with me about this ???? Go save the world yourself and stop trying to push your agenda on us in the form of taxation. Go plant some trees. Trees absorb c02 correct?>?
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Yes there is proof that global warming does not exist.

Also proof that the earth goes through temp cycles. Not to long ago in the 1940-1970's its was a global cooling phase.

No conclusive proof that humans are the sole and/or major cause of global warming. And/or that it is a bad thing.
Arguments are a battle no one will ever win
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im sorry, im not seeing where it compares it to all natural CO2 emissions, just human breathing. ill try to findsources, but just like Canyon Driver, i had read that ALL human activity, natural and unnatural accounts for 5% of the total CO2 emissions of the earth.

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We can also see a strong correlation between global temperature and the number of pirates.



Maybe the sollution is we just need more pirates!!! Killing off pirates causes global warming!
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We can also see a strong correlation between global temperature and the number of pirates.



Maybe the sollution is we just need more pirates!!! Killing off pirates causes global warming!



wtf lol. you made me LOL at that. almost died.
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Both sides say Global Warming IS TRUE. They just don't know man is helping it or not.
thats why it doesnt matter.
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This is how we get most of our oxygen, from marine vegetation aka reefes, etc.
Then, we have the ozone layer which does not let CO2 and C2O2 escape out. Therefore, it bounces right back into earth(land and water). Guess what happens when water warms? predators come from other areas to eat. Guess how many of them are vegetarians? There needs to be conditions for marine vegetation to grow. Ask aussies about their reefs and what's happening to them. Also, ask about the new predators that are not letting the reefs populate(star fish).
Do you also know what is the result in the warmth of water for a longer period of time over the atlantic? If you lived in Florida, New Orleans, Virginia, North Carolina, etc... you'd know the answer
It's not about what you see or what you hear. Try investigating by yourself abit more and don't be biased as you are right now. Think outside the box for once.
ok..and this has to do with taking money away from people how?

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By the way, comparing the middle ages with our times, real smart there.
it actually is. it doesnt matter if global warming exists or not. guilting people into paying money to offset their carbon footprint is equal to guilting people into paying to offset their sins.
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We need more pirates.
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New Orleans got snowed on last week. This week parts of Cali that haven't seen snow in decades now have a snow covering.
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