Air Hacked.....

[SpareNoExpenses]

I'm not suprised by the security vulnerabilities with the macbook air. I hack into my neighbors networks/computers all the time using packet sniffers, Just observing for awhile it's not even hard to crack into the network and then from there go on to software and direct attacks.

Building computers is SO EASY even for beginners and beats market sold computers any day. In my personal opinion, MAC users are paying for style, not functionality. I get pissed when MAC commercials air because they are marketing their product to a demographic that has NO IDEA what's going on with the infastructure of the computer.
Yea you don't see the blue screen of death, but you can't do shit when it comes to working in parameters not already set by MAC. Linux beats mac any day as well and is even better for this than windows.

It's all opinion so haters feel free to fire back at me but it's just a personal choice to NOT go with MAC.

[20strong]

Is the Macoperating system available for free download? I am a little confused about that.

[webby]

linux OS is free - such as ubuntu and others.

mac os is not free

[20strong]

Thanks webby.

[Cybergypsy]

Not Free Apple is suing pystar for putting OSX in Pcs..........

[volvo9]

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

Not Free Apple is suing pystar for butting OSX in Pcs..........

Why, what buisness is it of Apple to decide what computer it goes on? As long as the company bought the license they should be able to put it on whatever they desire. Now if the company didn't buy a license, well then that's just asking to get in trouble.

[shadedream]

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

Not Free Apple is suing pystar for butting OSX in Pcs..........

Link? Apple hasn't even responded yet from anything I've seen, so unless you have proof don't spread misinformation.

You can bet they will start sueing if the product actually hits the market though. They're selling a hacked version of the OS and violating its EULA. You think if you started selling machines with a hacked, non-legit version of Windows you wouldn't have Microsoft up your ass? They're is also the question of the EFI "emulator" that they're running which could be a legal issue also (assuming it wasn't legitimately reverse engineered). No different than stealing a PC manufacturer's BIOS.

[shadedream]

Originally Posted by volvo9

Why, what buisness is it of Apple to decide what computer it goes on? As long as the company bought the license they should be able to put it on whatever they desire. Now if the company didn't buy a license, well then that's just asking to get in trouble.

I'm not sure about Apple's License, but if you read most software "Licenses" these days, you don't OWN anything. You're paying for the right to use their software (they hold ownership) under their terms. As far as telling you what you can and can not do with it, Microsoft does the exact same thing. Certain versions of Vista (basically anything but the basic I believe) aren't allowed to be used in virtual machines.

I guess it's just "cool" to hate on Apple these days.

And just to clear it up, you don't HAVE to run Mac OS X on a Mac... they're just as capable of running linux and Windows (XP or Vista). People seem to assume the hardware and OS have to go hand in hand when they don't.

[volvo9]

Originally Posted by shadedream

Certain versions of Vista (basically anything but the basic I believe) aren't allowed to be used in virtual machines.

Lame. Not like that's going to stop many people though, just another reason for a big company to sue and screw over the customer.

[Firestrife]

It's not cool to hate on Apple. It got cool to hate on PC's when Apple became popular its just backlash from the other users because the Apple users who have to be extremely boisterous and condescending about their computers like they stumbled onto Gold or something. It's a freakin computer unless you program or do something professional having a Mac or a PC is moot. Most people just surf the net and you can do either with both.

[shadedream]

Originally Posted by Firestrife

It's not cool to hate on Apple. It got cool to hate on PC's when Apple became popular its just backlash from the other users because the Apple users who have to be extremely boisterous and condescending about their computers like they stumbled onto Gold or something. It's a freakin computer unless you program or do something professional having a Mac or a PC is moot. Most people just surf the net and you can do either with both.

Oh I know its on both sides. I agree with you, it just annoys me when people spread misinformation as truth and knock one company when for something the others are doing too. I say use what gets the job done for you.

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by webby

linux OS is free - such as ubuntu and others.

mac os is not free

I think the thing that may have confused you (20strong) is the comment of it being based on a free operating system. The Mac OS is based on the Linux/Unix operating systems, which can be he had for free at any point in time.

Let's put it this way.. Apple found a field of free Ford Focus' that work perfectly. They went back, started picking these Focus', throwing a body kit and cool paint on them, and started selling them for a profit.

They started with something free, added a few things, and started charging for it.

Originally Posted by shadedream

And just to clear it up, you don't HAVE to run Mac OS X on a Mac... they're just as capable of running linux and Windows (XP or Vista). People seem to assume the hardware and OS have to go hand in hand when they don't.

You're absolutely right, you don't have to run a mac OS on a mac.. But that's one of the only 3 things that makes it any different from a pc:

1) Mac OS
2) super duper stylish case dat ZOMG I'm with it look!
3) An unearned higher cost

Granted, I know very few apple fans that can see past the 2nd reason.. I actually have a friend that is an apple fanatic but he likes to use a pc too. He bought his apple right after he graduated from college for graphic design and kept his pc in case he needed to do something on it that he couldn't do on the apple without taking up precious space needed to run several graphic editing programs at once. HE loves apple for what it does best and I have never tried to have this discussion with him because he is one of the few exceptions to the general mac loving rule. All it is to most people is an elitest trend that allows them to snub their noses at people, which is what bothers me.


/rant

[shadedream]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

3) An unearned higher cost

completely arguable, and I'd have to disagree in many situations. Hardware tests have shown them outperforming PCs running windows. It really just depends on your situation on whether the additional cost is worth it.

Originally Posted by firmhonda

Granted, I know very few apple fans that can see past the 2nd reason.. I actually have a friend that is an apple fanatic but he likes to use a pc too. He bought his apple right after he graduated from college for graphic design and kept his pc in case he needed to do something on it that he couldn't do on the apple without taking up precious space needed to run several graphic editing programs at once. HE loves apple for what it does best and I have never tried to have this discussion with him because he is one of the few exceptions to the general mac loving rule. All it is to most people is an elitest trend that allows them to snub their noses at people, which is what bothers me.

Agree with you on the elitist thing... elitist mac zealots drive me nuts also (but so do the elitist windows and linux varieties). I've got both a Mac and a PC on my desk at home with 4 OS's between the two. I use em all, but I prefer the Mac for most everything besides gaming (Apple still hasn't caught on to needing the option of more powerful graphics chipsets across the lines for gamers). And in some ways its not even Apple, its the third party software available for it that I use all the time.

As far as them just "stealing" everything from linux, you're basically paying for the upper UI layers of the OS. Darwin, the core of Mac OS X and most of it besides Aqua, is completely free and opensource:

Apple - Darwin - Releases

[Cybergypsy]

Psystar to Challenge Mac OS X EULA? - Mac Rumors

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by volvo9

Why, what buisness is it of Apple to decide what computer it goes on? As long as the company bought the license they should be able to put it on whatever they desire. Now if the company didn't buy a license, well then that's just asking to get in trouble.

its in the end user licence you agree too :)

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by shadedream

Link? Apple hasn't even responded yet from anything I've seen, so unless you have proof don't spread misinformation.

You can bet they will start sueing if the product actually hits the market though. They're selling a hacked version of the OS and violating its EULA. You think if you started selling machines with a hacked, non-legit version of Windows you wouldn't have Microsoft up your ass? They're is also the question of the EFI "emulator" that they're running which could be a legal issue also (assuming it wasn't legitimately reverse engineered). No different than stealing a PC manufacturer's BIOS.

Yes they have responded.......

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by shadedream

completely arguable, and I'd have to disagree in many situations. Hardware tests have shown them outperforming PCs running windows. It really just depends on your situation on whether the additional cost is worth it.

You're exactly right, the insane and unjustified high price doesn't go all the way across the entire mac line, but those that do fall under that category kind of ruin it all for me. As I've pointed out before, the MBA is wildly overpriced and there is not a person out there that can tell me that the base $1600 price tag is worth it. If it were $600 less then I could understand someone making the argument that it's worth it because it's so portable, but I have to stand by my opinion that to pay that much for something that gets outperformed in almost every way by something that costs less than half as much is nothing short of price gouging aimed at those people that are insane enough to pay for it just because it's an apple.

Let's be real, most of the time when it comes to price Apple is no better than a PC in any way other than looks. There are ways that I could point out that windows is better than a mac os, but for your run-of-the-mill user it would all be a moot point. There are ways that Macs OS is better than windows, but again, for your general user it means nothing at all. That means that an Apple when compared to a PC of equal price generally is no better in any way for your normal user... But Apple fans all-out refuse to acknowledge this and continue to act as if their **** doesn't stink because Steve Jobs fixed the smell for them.

As for the Windows fanbois, I honestly have yet to meet a single one. Everyone that I talk to that prefers windows over other os' admit that it definitely has its flaws and there are things that other operating systems are simply better at. I guess that's why I've become a windows fan, I'd rather be humble and continue to educate myself than ignorantly boast about a brand that consistantly rips me off.

[FijiDeez]

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by firmhonda

You're exactly right, the insane and unjustified high price doesn't go all the way across the entire mac line, but those that do fall under that category kind of ruin it all for me. As I've pointed out before, the MBA is wildly overpriced and there is not a person out there that can tell me that the base $1600 price tag is worth it. If it were $600 less then I could understand someone making the argument that it's worth it because it's so portable, but I have to stand by my opinion that to pay that much for something that gets outperformed in almost every way by something that costs less than half as much is nothing short of price gouging aimed at those people that are insane enough to pay for it just because it's an apple.

Let's be real, most of the time when it comes to price Apple is no better than a PC in any way other than looks. There are ways that I could point out that windows is better than a mac os, but for your run-of-the-mill user it would all be a moot point. There are ways that Macs OS is better than windows, but again, for your general user it means nothing at all. That means that an Apple when compared to a PC of equal price generally is no better in any way for your normal user... But Apple fans all-out refuse to acknowledge this and continue to act as if their **** doesn't stink because Steve Jobs fixed the smell for them.

As for the Windows fanbois, I honestly have yet to meet a single one. Everyone that I talk to that prefers windows over other os' admit that it definitely has its flaws and there are things that other operating systems are simply better at. I guess that's why I've become a windows fan, I'd rather be humble and continue to educate myself than ignorantly boast about a brand that consistantly rips me off.

PCs have fanboys just like civics do ....LOL

[firmhonda]

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

PCs have fanboys just like civics do ....LOL

Touche'

lol..

BTW, sorry again.. haha