The NEW "WINDOWS VISTA" beta 1

[C2i0v0i1c]

http://www.flexbeta.net/main/comment...shownews=14127

video link

http://www.flexbeta.net/images/vistabeta1/Vista2.wmv

[webby]

at first I was going to scream BS!!! cause I heard it was going to be called longhorn, and that video screamed straight up MAC!

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx

I guess they changed the name, and decided to rip off MAC big time. The effects, screenshots, and video of the new microsoft OS looks so much like a mac. Even the effects of the windows resizing, going down to the toolbar, etc. STAIGHT UP MAC.

C'mon Bill.... can't you do something else? It looked like he decided to copy the apple os from square 1.

[youngxlos]

wen does this releaze??? or is it out allready?

[unplugged]

beta 1 is out for free download, beta 2 should be out in january.. i'd wait for beta 2.. a little more stable and faster. Beta 1 is very slow.

[Eazy]

Originally Posted by webby

at first I was going to scream BS!!! cause I heard it was going to be called longhorn, and that video screamed straight up MAC!

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/default.mspx

I guess they changed the name, and decided to rip off MAC big time. The effects, screenshots, and video of the new microsoft OS looks so much like a mac. Even the effects of the windows resizing, going down to the toolbar, etc. STAIGHT UP MAC.

C'mon Bill.... can't you do something else? It looked like he decided to copy the apple os from square 1.

It took you this long to reliaze this? Its been going on for the whole time. Apple developed the idea first but Bill gates was working with them and stole the idea and made Windows. As a matter of fact he has been doing this with all the major company's cash cows. For example:
Xbox ----> Sony's Playstation
Operating system---> Apple, etc.

Now why do you think Microsoft is making such a fuss about making a iPod competitor ?

[unplugged]

Originally Posted by Eazy

It took you this long to reliaze this? Its been going on for the whole time. Apple developed the idea first but Bill gates was working with them and stole the idea and made Windows. As a matter of fact he has been doing this with all the major company's cash cows. For example:
Xbox ----> Sony's Playstation
Operating system---> Apple, etc.

Now why do you think Microsoft is making such a fuss about making a iPod competitor ?

i prefer linux over MS
i prefer playstation over xbox
i prefer * over MS.

Even when I did use Windows before learning Linux, I used openoffice instead of MS office.. same exact program, just openoffice is free and the file sizes where smaller. MS doesn't know what they are doing.

[webby]

"Two days before the start of Microsoft Professional Developers Conference (PDC) 2005, I received exclusive insider information about the product editions that Microsoft intends to create for Windows Vista (code-named Longhorn). Although the exact breakdown of the Vista editions has been the subject of much speculation, the list closely matches the editions list I first published on the SuperSite for Windows last year.

Microsoft plans two general Vista edition categories, which map closely to the two that exist today for Windows XP (XP Home Edition, which includes XP Starter, Home, and Media Center Editions, and XP Professional Edition, which includes XP Pro, Pro x64, and Tablet PC editions). Vista will feature two categories: Home and Business. In the Home category, Microsoft will create four product editions: Vista Starter Edition, Vista Home Basic Edition, Vista Home Premium Edition, and Vista Ultimate Edition (previously known as the "Uber" Edition). The Business category will feature three editions: Vista Small Business Edition, Vista Professional Edition, and Vista Enterprise Edition.

Note that these product names are placeholders; they could change before the final products are released. However, this breakdown of editions is current as of this week and is unlikely to change.

Vista Starter will be designed for beginning computer users in emerging markets who can afford only a low-cost PC. As with the XP version, Vista Starter will be a subset of Vista Home and will ship in a 32-bit version only. The product will let only three applications (or windows) run simultaneously, will provide Internet connectivity but not incoming network communications, and won't provide for logon passwords or Fast User Switching. Vista Starter is analogous to XP Starter and will be sold only in emerging markets.

Vista Home Basic, a simple product designed for single-PC homes, will be the baseline version on which all other Vista editions will build. It will include features such as Windows Firewall; Windows Security Center; secure wireless networking; parental controls; antispam, antivirus, and antispyware functionality; network mapping; Windows search functionality; the Aero UI; Windows Movie Maker; a photo library; Windows Media Player (WMP); Microsoft Office Outlook Express with Really Simple Syndication (RSS) support; P2P Messenger; and more. Roughly analogous to XP Home, Vista Home Basic will be designed for general consumers, XP and Windows 9x Starter Edition upgraders, and price-sensitive or first-time buyers.

Vista Home Premium will provide entertainment and personal productivity throughout the home and on the go. As a true superset of Vista Home Basic, Vista Home Premium will include everything from Vista Home Basic, as well as Media Center and Media Center Extender functionality (including cable card support), DVD video authoring and HDTV support, DVD-ripping support (yes, you read that right), Tablet PC functionality, Microsoft Mobility Center and other mobility and presentation features, auxiliary display support, peer-to-peer (P2P) ad hoc meeting capabilities, Wi-Fi autoconfiguration and roaming, unified parental controls that work on multiple PCs, backup-to-network functionality, Internet File Sharing, offline folders, PC-to-PC synchronization, Sync Manager, and support for Quattro (a new Longhorn Server version). Vista Premium is similar to XP Media Center Edition (XP MCE) but adds several other features and functionality, including Tablet PC support. My guess is that it will be the Vista volume consumer offering (today, XP Pro is the dominant seller). This version is designed for PC enthusiasts, multiple-PC homes, homes with kids, and notebook users.

Vista Pro, a powerful, reliable, and secure OS for businesses of all sizes, will include domain-join and management functionality, compatibility with non-Microsoft networking protocols (e.g., Novell NetWare, SNMP), Remote Desktop, Microsoft IIS, and Encrypting File System (EFS). In addition, Vista Pro Standard will include Tablet PC functionality. Vista Pro is roughly analogous to today's XP Pro. This version is designed for business decision makers and IT managers and generalists.

Vista Small Business, which will be designed for small businesses that don't have IT staff, will be a superset of Vista Pro Standard and will include unique features such as backup and Microsoft Volume Shadow Copy Service (VSS) support, server-join networking, and PC fax and scanning utilities. Microsoft might include other features, including a Small Business Edition guided tour, prepaid access to the Windows Live! or Microsoft Office Live! subscription services, Multi-PC Health (a managed version of Microsoft OneCare Live), and membership in the Microsoft Small Business Club online service. Microsoft will offer a step-up program for Small Business Edition that will let customers upgrade to Vista Enterprise or Vista Ultimate at a reduced cost. This SKU is new to Vista; no XP Small Business Edition exists. This version is designed for small-business owners and managers.

Vista Enterprise will be optimized for the enterprise and will be a true superset of Vista Pro. It will also include unique features such as Virtual PC, the Multilanguage User Interface (MUI), and the Secure Startup-Full Volume Encryption security technologies (code-named Cornerstone). No analogous XP version exists for this product, which is designed for business decision makers, IT managers and decision makers, information workers, and general business users.

Vista Ultimate promises to be the best OS ever offered for the personal PC and will be optimized for the individual. Vista Ultimate is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro; it includes all the features of both product versions and adds a Game Performance Tweaker with integrated gaming experiences, a Podcast-creation utility (which is under consideration and might be cut from the product), online club services (i.e., exclusive access to music, movies, services, and preferred customer care), and other offerings that are currently under consideration. Microsoft is still investigating how to position its most impressive Windows release yet and might offer Ultimate Edition owners such services as extended A1 subscriptions, free music downloads, free movie downloads, Online Spotlight and entertainment software, preferred product support, and custom themes. Nothing like Vista Ultimate exists today. This version will be designed for high-end PC users and technology influencers, gamers, digital media enthusiasts, and students.

According to internal Microsoft documentation, the goal of the Vista product edition differentiations is to provide a "clear value proposition" to all customer segments and to take XP-era innovations, such as the Media Center and Tablet PC functionality, to the mainstream. The company is also positioning Vista as a transitionary product for the x64 platform: Almost all Vista editions will be offered in both x86 (32-bit) and x64 (64-bit) versions. Post-Vista, Microsoft expects to transition almost completely to x64 versions."

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Windows/Article/ArticleID/47665/Windows_47665.html

[unplugged]

linux all the way - fast, free, reliable!

[crazyj]

Vista RC1 just came out!!!! Anyone using Vista in here? I can't seem to get Macromedia Flash installed and properly working...

[moxom]

I can't believe that folks still cry over MS stealing ideas.
News Flash: Apple does it too.
Apple "stole" the idea of a hard drive based portable music player and called it the iPod. It "stole" the idea behind the flash memory based music player and called it the "Shuffle". Apple "stole" the GUI from Xerox and called it Lisa.

It's obvious that MS steals, borrows, reinvents, etc., but they're not the only ones that do it. Often many of MS's ideas fail (remember Bob?) but sometimes products some of the products are actually useful. Then again there are those products that make it to market (WinMe) that shouldn't have.

Apple is probably a little scared that MS will come out with an iPod killer, but it's an unfounded fear. The iPod platform is considered by many to be the cadillac of portable music systems due to its integration and ease of use. Apple needs to continue to focus on innovating their products because that is their strength.

[djdefcon]

very correct moxmo!

Apple wasn't the company that invented the mp3 player, they just made a player that anyone, with no computer knowledge, could use. It's basically a "plug-n-play" player. Apple prides themself on simple design and ease of use, so that the average person and just pick up their products and go. That is why their little iPod is so popular. (which I do not have and refuse to buy)

But as far as Vista goes, bleh. Besides their new filesystem WinFS, I see no reason to pickup a copy. Im perfectly satisfied with my linux box =D

But as far as everyone else, I feel its going to be awhile before Vista becomes standard, more so in busniess. As Im a network admin, I know for a fact with the hardware requirements for Vista, its going to be a long time before busineses are going to fork over the money to buy new computers just to run an OS that really doesn't provide a real significant improvement over XP.

[Cybergypsy]

They already have it on e bay, I use mac......and will never go Back!

[moxom]

Originally Posted by djdefcon

But as far as Vista goes, bleh. Besides their new filesystem WinFS, I see no reason to pickup a copy. Im perfectly satisfied with my linux box =D

WinFS will not be included as part of Vista when it is launched. Instead MS will introduce it as an update in 07'-08'.
WinFS includes Microsoft Rave which is a synchronization tool with peer-to-peer features.
My company has no plans of upgrading to Vista because XP is serving us just fine. It's a good thing that most upgrades are determined by the applications and not the OS.
BTW I just started using Suse and it's pretty awesome. I'm looking to create a bootable pen drive with some troubleshooting utilities. Is there anything that you would recommend?

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

They already have it on e bay, I use mac......and will never go Back!

Are you talking about Vista? Sounds like you're happy with your Mac-congrats!

[djdefcon]

If you are looking for a nice clean bootable linux for a pen drive look into "Knoppix". Its a distro that is specifically designed to be a live cd.

Or if you need a nice bootable CD to diag and fix problems, look into "BartPE". It will allow you to create a PE with your XP source and you can include any other programs you want(aslong as you know how to create a plugin for the program).

http://www.knoppix.org/
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

[06silvercivic]

I have this program thet makes your xp look like vista i think its sooo sick heres a desk top shot, you can also see a folder that is open, it is transparent as is the start menu and also look at the hott start bar

[moxom]

Thanks, djdefcon

[Civic4u]

06silvercivic,

Where do you get that program? Is it FREE?

[crazyj]

Just get the real vista from MS they released the RC1 today i think.
-J

[Civic4u]

Originally Posted by crazyj

Just get the real vista from MS they released the RC1 today i think.
-J

How long it will run before MS tell me to pay up

[djdefcon]

civic4u: Its probably a 120 day trial

Ummm, if you want to "mod" your desktop, i would suggest switching your shell. The main shell replacement I would recomend would be Litestep, it has come a long way and they have made it real easy to install and change themes. Here are a few examples of my old desktops





Other than that there are quite a few shell replacements. If you don't want to tinker around with that stuff, just get StyleXP or something. Check out Stardock as they are the company that makes StyleXP, WindoBlinds and more.=D

ORRRRRRRRRR you guys can just use linux and not have to do all this stuff =D

*EDIT* Sorry for the big pics =(