8thCivic.com

Go Back   8th Generation Honda Civic Forum > Off Topic > Technology

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-28-2007, 02:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
Mini Me!
 
Cybergypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Age: 48
Posts: 7,760
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Windows Vista? No need to rush!

Windows Vista? No need to rush

January 26, 2007

Unless you've spent the past five years wearing a blindfold adrift in the middle of the ocean, you know the consumer versions of Microsoft's new Vista operating system are due to be released on Tuesday. Here in the US, basketball star LeBron James is about to try to convince us all to move to Windows Vista as part of Microsoft's massive ad campaign.

This column is not a review of Windows Vista. I'm not here to tell you about Vista or what's wrong with it.

This article is for those of you who are about to download or purchase Windows Vista and install it on a PC. I'm here to talk you out of it. Just say no to LeBron James and Windows Vista - for now. Here's why.
1. Vista is incomplete

Microsoft is already planning its first service pack and seeking input from users on what to include. Vista probably won't be truly ready for prime time until that first service pack version, possibly later this year.

The hardware and software companies that make compatible products for Vista aren't all ready for the new OS. Many of those companies are scrambling to complete Vista drivers and updates. Most importantly, not all video and sound card companies are ready.

Audio and peripheral maker Creative publishes a list detailing the status of drivers for each of its many products. Most of their Sound Blaster Internal products already have Vista drivers available. Two of them have only a "beta 2" version of the drivers. Three of their older products say "No Development Planned". Most of their cameras and other peripherals have no Vista-specific drivers available.

On the Advanced Micro Devices site, you can find information about Vista readiness of ATI graphics cards (AMD and ATI merged last year). Most are supported by a Catalyst Vista Software Driver, which is "beta", and are plagued by a long list of published "known issues". It also comes with the following warning: "ATI does NOT recommend installing these drivers in systems used for mission critical operations or where productivity of any kind is a concern."

These two companies are on the leading edge of supporting Vista. Their partial readiness for Vista is symptomatic for the larger companies. Many smaller peripheral makers simply have no Vista support at all.

At least two OEMs, Alienware and Polywell, are aggressively pushing XP over Vista, because both say graphics and other drivers for Vista aren't quite ready for prime time.

Software, such as the security suites you may have already paid for, may not run on Vista, and some require updates that aren't ready yet.

Trend Micro, Panda, CA and Symantec all have announced that they'll ship updated suites on Tuesday - just in time for the consumer availability of Vista.

Microsoft claims McAfee will support Vista, but hasn't said when. The company itself has not announced Vista support. And some, but not all, ZoneAlarm products will support Vista by next week. The smaller the company, the longer it will generally take for them to support Vista.

Gaming on Vista - and Vista's DirectX 10.0 graphics support - is awesome. But that's something you'll be able to fully take advantage of only later. The full gaming potential of DirectX 10.0 requires three elements - an operating system, supporting graphics hardware and supporting games. The operating system is ready, the graphics hardware is partly ready, and the games are nowhere. Eventually, Vista will be the ultimate PC gaming platform. But there's simply no reason for gamers to rush out and buy Vista next week.
2. Vista is expensive

Microsoft offers three versions of Vista to home users in the US - Home Basic, Home Premium and Ultimate. You can buy any of these in the upgrade version with a discount, or the standalone version without the discount.

The cheapest way for current Windows XP users to get a legal copy of Vista is to buy the upgrade version of Home Basic, which is $99. But you don't want the cheapest version.

First, the upgrade version will require you to keep your Windows XP CD for years. You do have a Windows XP CD handy, don't you? Second, Home Basic just won't cut it for most people. It lacks the Aero interface and Media Center capabilities. Plus, you can't connect Xbox peripherals to Home Basic. For many, including yours truly, those are the three best reasons to upgrade to Vista in the first place.

Home Premium ($239 for the full and $159 for the upgrade version) is roughly equivalent to Windows XP Home. It's for nontechnical, nonpower users who use their system for lightweight, personal use only. But if you're the kind of person who currently runs Windows XP Pro at home - and since you're reading PC Advisor, you may well be - you'll be happiest with Windows Vista Ultimate. It's got all the fun and goodies of Home Premium, plus the power-user features in the business version of Vista.

Are you sitting down? The full version of Windows Vista Ultimate costs $399. If you have an XP CD, and don't mind the hassle, the upgrade version of Vista Ultimate costs $259. And have you even seen the prices in the UK? Ouch!

(If you buy the Ultimate Edition, you'll be able to buy additional copies of Vista Home Premium at a cost of $49.99. For technical users, the ideal scenario for many will be Ultimate for you and Home Premium for the spouse and kids.)

The cheapest Vista is the copy that comes with a new PC because you get in on the reseller's steep discount.
3. Vista wants a new PC

To get full value from Vista, you're probably going to want to buy a new, Vista-optimised PC (see the April 07 issue of PC Advisor, on sale 15 February). Many of the benefits of Vista require hardware your current PC doesn't have. "ReadyBoost" and "ReadyDrive", for example, require special hybrid or flash drives. Aero looks awesome, but only if your graphics card supports Pixel Shader 2.0. You can record high-definition cable TV, but only with a tuner card designed to take advantage of that Vista feature. You can enjoy DirectX 10.0 games, but only with a compatible video card.

Vista's new indexed searching is great, but you'll need extra hard disk space for the index - and extra storage for the operating system itself. Don't even think about running Vista on a system with less than 1GB of RAM; 2GB is reasonable and 4GB is the sweet spot. And if you want to really enjoy the Aero eye candy, you'll want a 20in or larger flat-panel LCD display.

Sure, you can buy Vista and install it on an old PC. But that's like subscribing to HD cable, but not buying an HDTV. You're paying for the experience but not actually experiencing it.
4. Vista is time-consuming

Installing any new operating system is time-consuming. You have to configure everything, load your data, install your applications and get your peripherals working. Then, in the case of Vista, you have to figure out where Microsoft buried all the options, menus and features and get used to the ubiquitous Search boxes. Anytime you want to do anything in Vista, it seems, the software asks, "Are you sure?" You'll want to figure out how to turn that off and customise Vista to get rid of all its annoying "user-friendly" hand-holding "features".

But buying Vista now, and installing it on old hardware, adds additional, time-consuming tasks - possibly an additional day or two. Why? Chances are, you'll have to hunt down, install and troubleshoot new drivers for your old peripherals and system components.

You may have heard about Windows Easy Transfer, which moves files and settings from XP to Vista. But don't get too excited about this. It works only after you've re-installed all your applications; it doesn't actually move installed applications, just settings and data.

By waiting, and getting Vista on your next PC, you'll save yourself the pain and hassle of trying to retrofit your old PC with the new operating system.
5. Windows XP isn't obsolete

Vista adds new benefits and, in the long run, will make computing easier, faster and a lot more fun. But it doesn't really "solve" any existing problem. Windows XP - after years of service patches and strong, industrywide support - is a solid, well-understood and highly functional operating system. And it will continue to be well supported. Microsoft itself has committed to at least seven more years of XP support, and even plans a Service Pack 3 next year.

Gartner says that by the end of the year, XP will be installed on 77.1 percent of all PCs worldwide, and Vista on just 12.3 percent. That means the industry will make sure their new products still work great on XP.
6. Vista may be the best reason yet to buy a Mac

That's right. I said it.

Years ago, "switching" from Windows to a Mac was nearly impossible for most people. We relied entirely on desktop applications, many of which had no equivalents on the Mac platform. Today, so much of what we do is online - and Apple has done such a good job of making the transition easier - that leaving Windows and moving to a Mac is perfectly doable for most people. It's a real choice now, and mostly a matter of preference.

With Windows Vista as the default operating system on any new system you buy, it makes sense to consider moving to a Mac. After all, Vista will force you to learn a new operating system anyway, and - in the short term - one less supported than XP. In either case, you'll be using a 3-D interface, widgets and other goodies.

Apple will start selling the next version of OS X, code-named Leopard, this spring. The details of this operating system are secret, but it's likely that it will be spectacular. All may be revealed as soon as next month. If you're going to buy a new PC this spring, you might as well check out Leopard before making your choice.

Under what circumstances should you "switch" to a Mac? Apple fans will tell you that the answer is obvious: if you want your system to crash less, run with fewer hassles and fewer security breaches, then buy a Mac. But that's the Mac user's world view.

If you're looking to make that decision from the PC users world view, here's a more practical checklist.

Consider switching to a Mac if:

-- You're not into PC gaming.

-- You don't have any Windows-only applications you'd still like to run without emulation.

-- You don't have major PC hardware investment - such as expensive flat-screen LCD displays - to take advantage of.

-- You don't have non-Mac applications that are required by your employer for working at home.

Most Windows users won't make that choice, however. For most of us, resistance is futile - and unnecessary and undesirable. Windows Vista is a truly great version of Windows with enormous benefits and will be a lot of fun to use.

LeBron James will tell you that upgrading to Windows Vista is a slam dunk. But before you upgrade the hard way - and on the wrong hardware and before the industry is fully ready to support it - take a moment and consider: What's the rush?
Cybergypsy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 03:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
Mini Me!
 
Cybergypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Age: 48
Posts: 7,760
iTrader: 3 / 100%
LOL

LOL>...
Cybergypsy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 03:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
audiophile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Minden, LA
Age: 24
Posts: 1,755
Ben
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybergypsy
Windows Vista? No need to rush

January 26, 2007

Unless you've spent the past five years wearing a blindfold adrift in the middle of the ocean, you know the consumer versions of Microsoft's new Vista operating system are due to be released on Tuesday. Here in the US, basketball star LeBron James is about to try to convince us all to move to Windows Vista as part of Microsoft's massive ad campaign.

...
You had me @ LeBron

audiophile is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 04:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Avenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kitchener, ON
Age: 28
Posts: 897
Rob
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybergypsy
Consider switching to a Mac if:

-- You're not into PC gaming.

-- You don't have any Windows-only applications you'd still like to run without emulation.

-- You don't have major PC hardware investment - such as expensive flat-screen LCD displays - to take advantage of.


-- You don't have non-Mac applications that are required by your employer for working at home.
3 out of 4 reasons I won't be switching to a Mac anytime soon.

I'll give you another one: Windows Vista Transformation Pack 6.0 is out.........makes XP LOOK like Vista. You still retain all the functionality of XP with the great looks of Vista.......and best of all it's 100% FREE.

I switched to Vista 64 bit months ago. Had that for 3 or 4 days until I realized I didn't have any printer drivers for my laser printer, and I didn't have cell phone drivers for my Razr (couldn't charge it with the USB cable). Switched back to XP and installed an older version of the transformation pack.
Avenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 04:53 PM   #5 (permalink)
Member
 
Birdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Age: 52
Posts: 39
iTrader: 0 / 0%
OR suck it up and go Linux!

I won't be going Vista any time soon. Heck Microsoft has just about got XP running halfway right.

Birdy
Birdy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 05:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
You're doing it wrong!!
 
Gonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 21
Posts: 5,651
iTrader: 5 / 100%
This applies to almost all operating systems. OSX was a joke until about a year after its launch. Not because it was a bad operating system but because three wasn't much support. No matter when you launch it will still take time to get everyone on board. This isn't so much a testament to Vista's quality but just what is typical of OS's in general.

Same seems to go for video game consoles. I've made up my own rule (many people have similar ones) that is the "rule of 15 months." You typically have to wait 15 months after a console is launched before you really start getting into the meat of what it has to offer.

I entirely agree with the author that you should hold off on getting Vista. Especially after the beta was over and MS stopped giving away free copies to people that report bugs, even enthusiasts don't have much of a reason to get it.
Gonzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 05:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
Mini Me!
 
Cybergypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Age: 48
Posts: 7,760
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdy
OR suck it up and go Linux!

I won't be going Vista any time soon. Heck Microsoft has just about got XP running halfway right.

Birdy


LOL.....what for the errors....LOL
Cybergypsy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 05:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
You're doing it wrong!!
 
Gonzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Richmond, VA
Age: 21
Posts: 5,651
iTrader: 5 / 100%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybergypsy
"ATI does NOT recommend installing these drivers in systems used for mission critical operations or where productivity of any kind is a concern."

Funny, I personally use that rule as well, but just slightly modified...


Gonzo does NOT recommend using Windows for mission critical operations or where productivity of any kind is a concern.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdy
I won't be going Vista any time soon. Heck Microsoft has just about got XP running halfway right.

Ain't that the truth.
Gonzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 05:13 PM   #9 (permalink)
Mini Me!
 
Cybergypsy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Age: 48
Posts: 7,760
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Gaming is a waste of time, I prefer to live my life...not some Creature I created....



Quote:
Originally Posted by Avenger
3 out of 4 reasons I won't be switching to a Mac anytime soon.

I'll give you another one: Windows Vista Transformation Pack 6.0 is out.........makes XP LOOK like Vista. You still retain all the functionality of XP with the great looks of Vista.......and best of all it's 100% FREE.

I switched to Vista 64 bit months ago. Had that for 3 or 4 days until I realized I didn't have any printer drivers for my laser printer, and I didn't have cell phone drivers for my Razr (couldn't charge it with the USB cable). Switched back to XP and installed an older version of the transformation pack.
Cybergypsy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 05:15 PM   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
acetech808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posts: 445
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Yep I agree on waiting, Cuz there are a lot of patches that comes out to fix problems on Windows. I'm a Mac person always been. I waited and got OS X Panther. Love it. just my .02.
acetech808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 05:41 PM   #11 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
Avenger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Kitchener, ON
Age: 28
Posts: 897
Rob
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybergypsy
Gaming is a waste of time, I prefer to live my life...not some Creature I created....
Oh, your life being Job's propoganda machine? Carry on then :)
Avenger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 06:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
[IVI]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Age: 31
Posts: 1,634
Bryan
iTrader: 0 / 0%
I think Cyber's new byline under her name should be:

"President of the Microsoft Conspiratists and Separationists Group"

Still love ya though.
[IVI] is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 06:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
Member
 
Birdy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Age: 52
Posts: 39
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Hey lets all go back to 95
Birdy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2007, 06:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
Member
 
Bleached's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 91
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Not incredibly relevant, but I thought it was funny.
Bleached is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2007, 01:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
[IVI]'s Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Age: 31
Posts: 1,634
Bryan
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleached
Not incredibly relevant, but I thought it was funny.
Ain't that the truth.
[IVI] is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
U.S. & Canadian Tint Laws jc21 Inside and Out 37 10-05-2008 07:19 AM
Move over, Vista: Apple will debut its new Leopard, too Cybergypsy Technology 1 01-27-2007 02:39 PM
How NSA access was built into Windows - security issue webby Technology 4 01-14-2007 12:00 PM
The NEW "WINDOWS VISTA" beta 1 C2i0v0i1c Technology 31 09-14-2006 06:56 PM
Microsoft releases public download of Vista CameronJr9 Technology 4 06-23-2006 04:14 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.1.0
copyright 8thcivic.com - all rights reserved