Skunk2 Pro-S Coilovers on a NHBP FA5 ***Pics inside***

[CivicSi907]

@ boostedLSb18:

what was now the problem with the bump stops? can you show me what a bump stop is?

And what is that what HighRev1 posted? I'm confused?!?!?!!

Can you PM me the 8thcivic.com price? I am interested!

[BTRobertson]

The bump stop is the rubber piece inside the tube of the shock that needs to be trimmed when the car is lowered. The bump stops keep the shock from going up through your trunk. When I got my lowering springs, my stock suspension's bump stops needed trimmed in the back because of the way the travel of the shock changed.

[jrotax101]

coilovers do not need this doing though...

the OP wasn't missing this.. he had an issue with a washer and rubber bushing

[FastTimesAtFGHigh]

guys, what's the ride comparison against HFP?

[boostedLSb18]

I would assume a little stiffer, but can't be for certain, since I haven't driven/rode in a FA5 with the HFP suspension.

[drumkid8]

pics in second page ftw gotta do this now.. how's the ride?

[boostedLSb18]

Originally Posted by drumkid8

pics in second page ftw gotta do this now.. how's the ride?

The ride is a little stiffer than factory, but it's very tolerable.

[nighthawk06Si]

dudeeee the front is dumped! haha nice drop, really liking the kit

[Sirbelch]

This thread is rot with superficiality. :sigh:

[BTRobertson]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

This thread is rot with superficiality. :sigh:

Not to be picky, but it's "wrought".

In all seriousness, why do you think it's wrought with superficiality? Are we not digging deep enough into the product or perhaps there are some logical fallacies present? Talk to us bro, what's wrong with this thread.

[Micah]

are coilovers for handling as well as drop or just a drop?

[BTRobertson]

Originally Posted by Micah

are coilovers for handling as well as drop or just a drop?

Handling mostly, the drop is due to the springs that typically come with them. Read the stickies for 100% details on coilovers and my most recent rant about how your car's tires make traction. Picking coilovers may or may not be what your car needs, but if your heart's set on purchasing some, you should know more about them because there are as many flavors of coilovers as there are intakes.

But to answer your question basically, they are for handling. They provide a stiffer (albeit adjustable in some sets if you so choose) ride to reduce body roll and lateral load on the tires, hence you handle better with a good set of tires and the proper alignment. The stickies are your best bet for more info, but hope this prods your brain to want more.

[Micah]

would rep if possible

[boostedLSb18]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

This thread is rot with superficiality. :sigh:

Everyone has the opinion.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by BTRobertson

Not to be picky, but it's "wrought".

In all seriousness, why do you think it's wrought with superficiality? Are we not digging deep enough into the product or perhaps there are some logical fallacies present? Talk to us bro, what's wrong with this thread.

Actually the definition of "rot" I was using means "to express annoyance." All this talk of it looking good while slammed is annoying because superficial. Our car's front suspension geometry takes a turn for the worse when its that low which actually makes the car "push like a dump truck." So, in essence, people that slam there cars, spent money on a suspension for the sole purpose of looks. Doing something only for looks is superficial. Being superficial is shallow. I just don't understand the point of buying a part that can improve the performance of the car and turning around to make the car handle worse than it did before.

[BTRobertson]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Actually the definition of "rot" I was using means "to express annoyance." All this talk of it looking good while slammed is annoying because superficial. Our car's front suspension geometry takes a turn for the worse when its that low which actually makes the car "push like a dump truck." So, in essence, people that slam there cars, spent money on a suspension for the sole purpose of looks. Doing something only for looks is superficial. Being superficial is shallow. I just don't understand the point of buying a part that can improve the performance of the car and turning around to make the car handle worse than it did before.

I actually think you're wrong a bit. If people would just buy lowering springs and use them with stock suspension, I could understand the theory here. But with a full coilover system, brother, they are designed to work with the ride height range they provide, preventing body roll, bottoming out, etc. That's why they're made at such a high quality standard - to withstand the side effects of lowering the center of gravity. But overall, a full coilover system with spring kit is the way to better traction and less lateral load on your tires' contact patches - this is a proven concept and it's really quite deep.

While you may be jaded - and rightfully so - about other threads with people yelping about their slammed rides, this isn't even all that "slammed". I've seen cars with such slammed stances that their tires are rubbing, the negative camber is horribly out of whack, etc. Now that's superficial, but the OP did the right thing and can easily raise the ride height for more comfortable ride quality.

I value your opinion, but I think maybe in this instance the solution the OP chose is a wise one for how he wants to use his car.

And I'm a grammar-Nazi - "wrought" is the proper term to be used in the context you used it. I know you're cursing at me; it's okay, I have issues.

[boostedLSb18]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Actually the definition of "rot" I was using means "to express annoyance." All this talk of it looking good while slammed is annoying because superficial. Our car's front suspension geometry takes a turn for the worse when its that low which actually makes the car "push like a dump truck." So, in essence, people that slam there cars, spent money on a suspension for the sole purpose of looks. Doing something only for looks is superficial. Being superficial is shallow. I just don't understand the point of buying a part that can improve the performance of the car and turning around to make the car handle worse than it did before.

On the contrary, I didn't buy the coilovers just for looks. I bought it to improve the suspension over the factory which it does handle better now than with the factory Si suspension. I also have the ability to slam the car when I want to (i.e. shows & photoshoots) and then to raise it back at a more street-able ride height. I bought the coilovers based on the Skunk2's reputation and their R&D as well as my own personal experience with their products and other products of the same category.

Majority of people will look at a car if it slammed and on the road first before they will look at a car that is set up for track, that's just how the world turns.

Now people who are in the race scene/industry will try to get more information about the details of a certain product before making a decision on purchasing an item or not.

All it boils down to is if the person who spent the money is happy with their purchase or not, that's all that matters to that person. There's not a right or a wrong reason of why someone spent their own hard working money.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by boostedLSb18

LOL, the only time I hear rubbing is when I'm turning and there's a rise in the road. Other than that, no rubbing issues. Thanks for the feedback though. My DC2 sits a little lower than the FA5 does right now as well.

According to Word's dictionary, the definition of "rot" I am using is right.

Ok, even if the coil over is ment to still work when the car is that low, there is one thing the coilovers can't do, which is fix suspension geometry The front suspension geometry does not work right when the car is that low. I said nothing about the coilovers not working at that height, yet. Since, the Pro-S does not have ride height adjustment separate from pre-load, the more you lower it, the less piston travel you have, which is also bad for handling. So, lets review. You have bad suspension geometry as well as very little piston travel. So, how do you get better handling when those two major components of a good handling suspension are no where near optimized? Also, you said there is rubbing which also means your car is too low.

[BTRobertson]

So all coilover suspension kits that are made for our cars are trash that won't work right because they all change the geometry and have little piston travel? No suspension coilover kit can be made to handle lowered stances then? Is that what you're saying? Coilovers should ONLY be used on our cars when they don't lower the car whatsoever? All the damping and adjustable kits as well then, correct?

And again, you can't go by a word's definition when used in a sentence because of context. If you Google your sentence, it tries to correct the grammer to "not" because it's not grammatically correct. We can move the grammar discussion to PM, if you like. Merrium-Webster's online dictionary lists no meaning for the word "rot" to mean deeply annoyed. If you Google "rot with anger" - meaning "full of anger", as you meant your sentence "rot with superficiality", two results come up and none of them are in that context. If you Google "wrought with anger", many, many results come up. FTW!!! LOL

[BTRobertson]

And don't be grumpy buddy We're all here to talk about our cars and discuss things, not challenge someone's purchase and call it superficial. I believe he made a good choice and I'm sure - quite sure - that Skunk2, Koni, Tein, etc. know how our car's geometry is configured. I don't really understand what you mean by a change in geometry anyway, if truth be told. If you lower the car, it's not like the front of it changes shape - my car is lowered 1.3" all around, so it was an even drop...how would that change the shape of my car anywhere? All it does is lower the center of gravity.

now, if someone would drop JUST the front and leave the rear-end sticking up, well then you're changing the overall aerodynamics of the car and putting a lot more stress on the front suspension...but changing the geometry? Of what? The geometric shape of the car isn't changing, maybe some aerodynamics at worst.