Koni/Redshift Coilovers

[Sirbelch]

Aren't those plates going to be camber and caster adjustable?

[bluesunit]

Heck, I'd even take non-adjustable plates that just max out camber and caster for the hole at the top of the strut tower.

Just checked and plates are ST legal

[aki]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Even the non adjustable have a different style of adjustment....no knob, but you can twist the shock and piston to get adjustment...There will be full insctruction sheets...Online

Just make sure they're made worse than my mugens (with uncontrollable gobs of high-speed valving) so I don't have any pangs of buyer's remorse. Kkthx

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by aki

Just make sure they're made worse than my mugens (with uncontrollable gobs of high-speed valving) so I don't have any pangs of buyer's remorse. Kkthx

I'm not only a member of that club, but also the president.

[mattsbobo]

[2000civic]

Cool the 1300$ Koni Sports and Coilovers kit looks like the best option for me. Time to start saving!

[RedShiftChris]

Hey yawl,
Couple thoughts... The pricing at the moment does not include any upper mounts. In front, the Koni strut shaft is larger than the little stock one and a washer in the upper mount needs to be drilled out. I think that the camber plates will be an option and not included, especially in the street kits because most people will not want the added expense. There is a direct correlation between what it costs us and what it costs you. :)

We've been looking into camber plate designs, and I have to admit that I like the K-Mac design; so we may even work with them on making them available as we've been a dealer of theirs for some time already. We'll make some phone calls about that to see what we can do. And if we cannot arrange somethin worthwhile, we'll work up our own design.

We will have a non-adjustable shock coilover setup as well. It only makes sense..... people want the ability to adjust height at the lower cost. That setup will be $1200 though because the shocks (Reds) are only $100 cheaper than the Sports.

Another noteworthy thing about our setup is that the housing design (modified stock housing btw) is the same on the for the Koni Reds, Koni Yellows, Koni SA Race, and Koni DA Race!!! That's important because it means once your housings are modified, any of the front strut insert options will fit perfectly; so you can upgrade with very little effort. The rear shock is not a coilover design and doesn't have a housing; so it's not an issue in back... it's also very easy to change the rear shocks (takes about 5 minutes for us).

The standard front strut housing setup will come as a "U-WELD-IT" setup to keep costs down. We will offer a "WE-WELD-IT" option that allows you to receive the pre-welded housing with an additional fee and core charge. When you return your housings to us, your core fee will be refunded. Or you can do the welding yourself. The modification to the strut housing includes removing the stock internals (drill bit and saw/pipe cutter), fitting the custom weld-on part on the top of the housing, and welding the 2 together or having it welded for you. It will honestly be a very easy weld setup (no guessing), but you have to be absolutely sure that the weld is functionally secure so the housing stays together. Meaning if you have only ever welded exhaust and didn't do that good a job on that, then you shouldn't be welding your strut housings together. A good welding shop will TIG it together for about $20 per shock. I think we will charge $50 per shock for the modification service to cover our time, welding, and shipping for doing the whole thing. Also, full directions will be available online for this process; so you can decide if you want to do it after seeing exactly what is involved. Lastly, you can also send in your strut housings for us to modify if you want your original housing back on your car.

We are eventually planning to do a threaded body strut housing for height adjustability at the upright attachment point (so you can preload the spring as you want and then height adjust from the upright (hub) attachment point. The inserts for this setup will be the same as the modified stock housings (standard setup); so it's an upgrade for more serious race customers. Don't expect this until later in the summer though, and there will be about a $400 price tag on 2 (for left and right) because we plan to keep it a fairly custom, hand-built setup rather than a production oriented one.

The rear height adjustable spring perch system from RedShift uses a top mounted sleeve and perch that will use a nutsert in the upper mount to fasten it to the car's frame (the nutsert and install tool will be included). We decided that it was too important for us to provide the best safety level we can, and several other rear setups we have seen allow the spring and/or adjustment hardware to easily come off the car at full droop while jacked up in the air. Now we are aware that it would be an unusual circumstance that a spring would come loose during normal use, but we do think it's possible; so our design incorporates the nutsert fastener for safety.

So, as you can see, we have come up with cost-effective suspension options here. We will provide you all with much better pictures and explanations in the coming month, and we are confident that RedShift/Koni suspensions will have a suspension solution that is perfect for you!

Cheers,
Chris at RedShift

[Moose]

Heeee Heeee ... playing devils advocate here

-What are you doing about dust-boots and bumpstops OE or ?

-Koni Sports - I assume these have the standard OTS valving to handle up to about 500# (A bit more in the rear due to the decent shock/wheel rates)

-Koni Race (single adjustable) - for your "stock" OTS product - where do you think they will be valved to ...800# range or higher, or will these be a custom order deelio like the doubles

-Oh Yeah ..just saw you post above ... Please be a dealer for K-Mac, or do your own ... Dealing with K-MAC direct is a pain, with no secure way to order other than Calling them direct.



Moose

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by Moose

Heeee Heeee ... playing devils advocate here

C/O Sleeves ... I assume Eibach/GC or similar with the proper C-Circ Clip retention "groove" machined in the body of the sleeve retain the lower mount cir-clip in the koni's

We aren't using any machined circlip grooves on the shock body. The spring still sits in the stock location in back.

-What are you doing about dust-boots and bumpstops OE or ?

The bumpstops will be provided in the kit for the front and rear. Dust boots depend on application, but most will require modifying the stock boots (ala Koni's standard method).

-Koni Sports - I assume these have the standard OTS valving to handle up to about 500# (A bit more in the rear due to the advantages wheel rates)

That is correct. 500 lbs in front because it's a 1:1 motion ratio and 900 or so in back because of the 33% wheel to spring rate (58% shock to wheel rate).

-Koni Race (single adjustable) - for your "stock" OTS product - where do you think they will be valved to ...800# range or higher, or will these be a custom order deelio like the doubles

They will handle 1000 lb/in spring in front (1:1) and 1700 rear (58%:33%). We are still hammering out the rear SA setup with Koni; so I'll wait to answer how available they are until I know... give me a week or so. Our stocking strategy is to have everything in stock...at least 1 of each... at all times. It's much easier to sell what is available immediately.

Moose

:) Chris

[RedShiftChris]

oh, and i don't want to forget the 28 series setup for advanced race guys... those will definitely be custom orders that take 2-3 weeks.

Chris

[Moose]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

We aren't using any machined circlip grooves on the shock body. The spring still sits in the stock location in back.

-Actually I was refering to the front ... but you answered this in your post above ...which popped up just after I posted

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

The bumpstops will be provided in the kit for the front and rear. Dust boots depend on application, but most will require modifying the stock boots (ala Koni's standard method).

-Great - that is what I figured

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

That is correct. 500 lbs in front because it's a 1:1 motion ratio and 900 or so in back because of the 33% wheel to spring rate (58% shock to wheel rate).

Coolio - I was initally thinking that a OTS 500# rate would be limiting untill I remmbered that the shock mounting point provided some advantages in valving in reference to the sprinng rates ...

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

They will handle 1000 lb/in spring in front (1:1) and 1700 rear (58%:33%). We are still hammering out the rear SA setup with Koni; so I'll wait to answer how available they are until I know... give me a week or so. Our stocking strategy is to have everything in stock...at least 1 of each... at all times. It's much easier to sell what is available immediately.

Nice - thanks

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

:) Chris

Ahhh I see Greg has warned you about me :)

[RedShiftChris]

haha... no, greg didn't say anything. It was just in response to your "devil's advocate" warning and lil devil smile. :) I know you are an old time racer like me; so I figured you wouldn't mind a little humor. :)
Chris

[friedk]

Is it safe to assume it'll cost around 100$ for shipping?

[skandal57]

Just to get a better understanding... you want our shock bodies to put the koni shocks in? ..this shock body has been the hold up at koni right?

[honda93]

Originally Posted by skandal57

Just to get a better understanding... you want our shock bodies to put the koni shocks in? ..this shock body has been the hold up at koni right?

Yes... Koni received enough customer feedback that we as a whole did not want an insert. The new FG chassis is proving popular enough that Koni brass felt a full direct replacement was warranted. However, they had not banked on the stampings for the strut body where it mounts to the hub.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[honda93]

There are a good number of people here who will be hopping all over these kits when they become available. To this I say... SMART MOVE!

I have known Chris and Greg for quite some time through autocrossing... Although I've never really done business with RedShift, I have to say that Chris is a pioneer in this enormous aftermarket field regarding building Hondas and Acuras that are PROPERLY modified with parts that place function above form... Even if they aren't going to be used for competition. Chris is much like TC Kline (BMW) in this account.

Although I won't be benefiting from the diversity these kits offer due to the class I compete in, I wish RedShift nothing but success as they forge yet another path in the industry.

Good luck Chris and Greg...



Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[BlackOut070]

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[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by friedk

Is it safe to assume it'll cost around 100$ for shipping?

Well these prices are only ballparks anyway... and shipping should only be $30 or so.

Chris

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by honda93

There are a good number of people here who will be hopping all over these kits when they become available. To this I say... SMART MOVE!

I have known Chris and Greg for quite some time through autocrossing... Although I've never really done business with RedShift, I have to say that Chris is a pioneer in this enormous aftermarket field regarding building Hondas and Acuras that are PROPERLY modified with parts that place function above form... Even if they aren't going to be used for competition. Chris is much like TC Kline (BMW) in this account.

Although I won't be benefiting from the diversity these kits offer due to the class I compete in, I wish RedShift nothing but success as they forge yet another path in the industry.

Good luck Chris and Greg...



Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Hey Tony... you were always one of my favorite people in the sport. Tony is a class act. Thanks for the nice words. It means alot. :)

We know from working directly with Koni that the Sport shocks they are coming out with that have integral housings aren't slated to be available until mid to late summer at the earliest, and it's been 2 years waiting already; so our doing what we are doing is a very good intermediate step with identical function. IF and when they come out with the integrated Koni Sport Strut for the new Civic, we will obviously stop with the Sport inserts. but the SA and DA race inserts will still be available; so the modified housing will have it's use forever on tracks everywhere.

Thanks again for the nice words Tony. Words like that say as much about the sender as the receiver. :)

Cheers,
Chris

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by skandal57

Just to get a better understanding... you want our shock bodies to put the koni shocks in? ..this shock body has been the hold up at koni right?

Yes, our setup will include an insert that is fitted into the stock housing. The stock housing obviously has to be modified. The only modification required is cutting the top of the strut housing off and welding the fitted custom top that we have developed. The fitted top has a threaded exterior for coilover setups and a threaded top portion that is used to tighten the insert into the housing with the Koni threaded cap. These inserts are not the RSX-style inserts with the bottom set-screw; rather they are similar to VW and Toyota inserts that are held in with a threaded cap (a Koni part actually) that perfectly holds the insert without letting it move at all.

It's a very nice setup that will become more obvious when we can show you the pics, video, and directions. And remember that you can do the welding or we can do it here.

Chris