Koni/Redshift Coilovers

[iomatic]

I think everyone understands height adjustment. Stupid question time: what's the double adjustable vs. single? One more: do you have pics of the modification (without giving up your trade secret, or whatever?)

Thanks

*ducks*

[RedShiftChris]

haha.. yeah. I've asked Gordon for those again now by email. I asked before but it got lost in the shuffle. I should hear back from him tomorrow.

Chris

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

haha.. yeah. I've asked Gordon for those again now by email. I asked before but it got lost in the shuffle. I should hear back from him tomorrow.

Chris

Also, could we have those posted with the stock dynos and sport dynos for a compare/contrast session. So we can can get an idea of how they will ride and handle.

[friedk]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

The Reds are not externally adjustable. They are adjustable, but you have to be able to compress the shock piston all the way and turn it to make an adjustment. The adjustment is designed to be made with the shock off the car obviously. So you set it once and it's done. The other difference is that the valving is normally about 70% of the Sports valving, so you have to turn it up a little to equal the sports. It's more of a comfort shock that is also very good technology. The internals are the same as the Sports, just that the valving is softer and the adjustments cannot be made with the shock on the car.

Keep the questions coming!!! :)
Chris

Does that mean we could order reds and get the most aggressive adjustment setting done by you guys to equal the sports? I don't really care for messing with them. I just want a good shock setup.

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by iomatic

I think everyone understands height adjustment. Stupid question time: what's the double adjustable vs. single? One more: do you have pics of the modification (without giving up your trade secret, or whatever?)

Thanks

*ducks*

"Single Adjustable Konis" give you the ability to adjust rebound and not compression. This gives you the ability to adjust how the shock handles the mass of the car without affecting how it absorbs bumps. All other "single adjustable" shocks that I know of (and there are a ton of them) adjust both rebound AND compression with the SAME knob; so you end up having to turn up compression to control the mass of the car more, and the result is a harsh ride and loss of traction over bumps.

The "Double Adjustable" Konis allow you to adjust compression and rebound with DIFFERENT knobs. So, you can adjust compression for improved traction (better tires or more grippy surface) separately from rebound (to handle the mass of the car). These are mostly used by racers and not necessary for daily driving.

And I have put up all the pics I have of the suspension parts on our website. You can view them here.... 06 Civic Susp Packages

Chris

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Also, could we have those posted with the stock dynos and sport dynos for a compare/contrast session. So we can can get an idea of how they will ride and handle.

Absolutely... will do. The RACE konis aren't as bad as you might think. :) I love them for a Daily Driver, but some people would hate them.

I also like to drive my 88 Civic with 1/4" toe out in back in the snow!!! I never thought you could almost spin the car going perfectly straight. :) haha!!!!

Hey Paul... do you want Camber Plates?? We are going to do them, but we can get the KMac ones now. Ours won't be ready for a couple months most likely.... although you and Tom Lim have been waiting for awhile and I'm going to throw a set in for free to each of you for being so patient. :)

But do you need something now?? If so, K-macs are $370 retail... kinda expensive but we can get them because we've been a dealer for years. Or maybe Josh at Excelerate can get them... don't want to step on toes. But let me know either way. Just offering them to you (Paul) and Tom Lim for your service to us in being patient.

Chris

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by friedk

Does that mean we could order reds and get the most aggressive adjustment setting done by you guys to equal the sports? I don't really care for messing with them. I just want a good shock setup.

Well, theoretically you can make the Reds about the same as Yellows turned up 1/3 of the way. The Reds are great. I recommend them for anyone not wanting to mess with them at all.

Chris

[RedShiftChris]

man... i gotta go home. been eating cereal dry out of a box all day. no breakfast or lunch or dinner. oh i did have some 2 month old sour cream and onion chips that were sitting here. they were a nice change from my kashi crunch. I'm not kidding..... this has been a very productive day.

I go to the machist again tomorrow. Moving ahead! Until tomorrow!!! time for me to go home.....

Cheers all,
Chris

[friedk]

Please answer my question before you go!

[Cookstar]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

I go to the masochist again tomorrow.
Cheers all,
Chris

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by friedk

Please answer my question before you go!

Think I already did... it's a few up from here.
Cheers,
Chris

[friedk]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

Think I already did... it's a few up from here.
Cheers,
Chris

Oops sorry, thanks Chris. I somehow missed it.

[pd0019]

hope i didnt miss this when reading through the thread, but is there a price difference if we want a different spring rate, and how much ?

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by pd0019

hope i didnt miss this when reading through the thread, but is there a price difference if we want a different spring rate, and how much ?

You can have any rate you desire and no change in price. Spring are Eibach Race Spring 2.5" front and rear.
Chris

[No. 7]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

The suspensions we are offering starting early March range from non-adjustable fixed spring to double adjustable 28 series monotube. The non-adjustable fixed springs are going to be in the $800 range and the DA 28 series will be around $4500 total. We're also offing single and double adjustable coilovers as well.... and the Sport line of coilovers as well.... all Koni damper hardware.

Not final yet, but something like this for street pricing...

Non-adjustable fix spring $800
Koni Sports and Coilovers $1300
Koni Race (single adjustable twin-tube) and Coilovers $1900
Koni Race (double adustable twin tube) and Coilover $2300
Koni Race (double adjustable monotube 28 series) and Coilovers $4500

That's the ballpark pricing you'll see on the street.

Give you all the options needed for everyones wants and needs

hey there buddy, if i want a substitute for HFP Si 4 dr suspension, which Koni would be an equivalent? Thanks.

[friedk]

Non-adjustable fix spring $800

[iomatic]

OH, I get it. Thanks! Who wouldn't want double-adjustables???

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

"Single Adjustable Konis" give you the ability to adjust rebound and not compression. This gives you the ability to adjust how the shock handles the mass of the car without affecting how it absorbs bumps. All other "single adjustable" shocks that I know of (and there are a ton of them) adjust both rebound AND compression with the SAME knob; so you end up having to turn up compression to control the mass of the car more, and the result is a harsh ride and loss of traction over bumps.

The "Double Adjustable" Konis allow you to adjust compression and rebound with DIFFERENT knobs. So, you can adjust compression for improved traction (better tires or more grippy surface) separately from rebound (to handle the mass of the car). These are mostly used by racers and not necessary for daily driving.

And I have put up all the pics I have of the suspension parts on our website. You can view them here.... 06 Civic Susp Packages

Chris

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by iomatic

OH, I get it. Thanks! Who wouldn't want double-adjustables???

People that don't wanna pony up 2300 bucks.

[Caper]

Sent an email to Josh but no response.

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by Caper

Sent an email to Josh but no response.

Josh is always at the shop and you might want to call him on a weekday. Or IM him....he's alwasy available when I call or IM.

If you have any questions, you can also call me 9-6 M-F Eastern time at 570-675-3755.

Or here is Josh's contact info:
EXCELERATE LLC
998 West Main St
Branford, CT 06405
(P) 203-483-6100 (F) 203-483-6101
AIM Screen Name: Excelerate04
E-mail: Excelerate@sbcglobal.net
Joshua Lockwood


Thanks!! :)
Chris