Koni/Redshift Coilovers

[Sirbelch]

*cough* *cough* DA dynos *cough* Sorry, I must have had something in my throat.

How was vacation?

[marc-o-lishuz]

Originally Posted by friedk

I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be hesitant to hack up their stock front shocks to put the inserts in. (even though a new set of front shocks are dirt cheap)

That's inevitable. People are gonna be wieghing the importance of Koni quality & development vs. direct plug-n-play installation of other coilovers.

[honda93]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

Yes, we do plan to offer the shocks alone btw. What sort of testing we do with the RedShift/Koni shocks and stock springs depends on how long Koni takes to get the bolt on shocks to market.

Chris

Chris,

Koni has all but given up on developing a direct-replacement strut. Anyone who wants to do Koni will be playing with inserts... KONIMAN said so himself a page or two ago.

How are you btw?

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[honda93]

In light of these developments (or lack thereof), I may have Bilstein do my fronts as well... I still have my OEM LX struts in a box. I already have valving percentages in mind and they won't be crazy stiff like the custom rear Bilsteins I have, but they will be a little more aggressive than the Si Coupe units I have now up front.

I just don't see the need for adjustable fronts, neither the old Civic, nor this one responded well to silly rebound amounts and one cannot go too stiff on compression up front either, the car doesn't appreciate that (at least on stock springs).

I had my heart set on FSD's. Now... Not so much.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[CivicSi907]

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

That's inevitable. People are gonna be wieghing the importance of Koni quality & development vs. direct plug-n-play installation of other coilovers.

I think the moste would prefer the plug-n-play installation! Me too!

Why cant KONI simple release some plug-n-play coilovers or the koni yellows to use with other aftermarket springs?

I cant understand this

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by honda93

In light of these developments (or lack thereof), I may have Bilstein do my fronts as well... I still have my OEM LX struts in a box. I already have valving percentages in mind and they won't be crazy stiff like the custom rear Bilsteins I have, but they will be a little more aggressive than the Si Coupe units I have now up front.

I just don't see the need for adjustable fronts, neither the old Civic, nor this one responded well to silly rebound amounts and one cannot go too stiff on compression up front either, the car doesn't appreciate that (at least on stock springs).

I had my heart set on FSD's. Now... Not so much.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Aren't front struts illegal for your class? Or, are you just going to try to "hide" them?

[honda93]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Aren't front struts illegal for your class? Or, are you just going to try to "hide" them?

Not at all. Early NEON guys had been using Eclipse units (inserts).

[marc-o-lishuz]

Originally Posted by CivicSi907

I think the moste would prefer the plug-n-play installation! Me too!

Why cant KONI simple release some plug-n-play coilovers or the koni yellows to use with other aftermarket springs?

I cant understand this

Answered a few pages back:

Originally Posted by KONIMAN

The thing that is stopping koni from making a full bolt on strut is bracket stamping, all of our brackets are oem quality if not better, where the other guys source their stuff out. Its not even made by them, its made in china or japan and very cheap quality....Anyone can have a shock/strut made for any car with their name on it if you order it in quantity. I could call some Jap shock manufacturer and tell them what i want, send them a drawing, tell them i want them to be called Jasons baller shocks and they will do it as long as i order 100 sets. Pick out 2 or 3 sets of shocks and cut them open and take a look inside. You will find pretty much the same exact thing in all 3 sets, it just looks different on the outside with a different name on it. Then take a look inside of a koni. Koni actually does development on each car and valves a shock specificly for that car. Call any other company out there and ask them for a dyno graph for that $1000 coil over set up you purchased from them, they most likly cant provide.

And as far as everyone wanting to dump their car, Its ok to lower on a koni (run a bump rubber) and if you have the need to dump it a crazy amount koni can shorten to accomidate if you want to pay $$
sorry if my spelling sucks i never was that good! lol + im rambling

[CivicSi907]

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

Answered a few pages back:

Sorry, I am from germany and dont unterstand all what is written!

What is the matter short and crisp?

And please answer this question with y or n: Will KONI release just a "highadjustable" shock to use with for example eibach lowering springs?

[KONIMAN]

IF you want a sport NO if you are willing to pay for a plug and play coilover setup YES. KONI does make the 28 series double adjustable. They will Cost you about $5,000 for a full set, but they are custom built to order.

[CivicSi907]

And does KONI release some High Adjustable plug n play shocks for about $1500 ?

[honda93]

Originally Posted by CivicSi907

And does KONI release some High Adjustable plug n play shocks for about $1500 ?

From their factory... NO. At least not yet.

[CivicSi907]

Originally Posted by honda93

From their factory... NO. At least not yet.

what the f**k? For every car is a coilover released but our hondas not?

[20strong]

How do Konis compare to say H&R full coilovers? Does H&R order theres from overseas as stamps?

[honda93]

Originally Posted by CivicSi907

what the f**k? For every car is a coilover released but our hondas not?

Remember, Koni was planning on making a full replacement strut for the North American market cars. Now we will be getting inserts like Europe and Asia do.

I am assuming you have tried this site...

Koni: Startseite

[marc-o-lishuz]

Originally Posted by KONIMAN

They will Cost you about $5,000 for a full set, but they are custom built to order.

Throw some D's on that bishhh
Might as well get some Aragosta or Ohlins

[mitsukaiSI]

dangit i was really hoping for plug-n-play . . . i hate doing inserts

any word on when they will be released?

[friedk]

Originally Posted by CivicSi907

what the f**k? For every car is a coilover released but our hondas not?

I'm assuming when you say HIGH adjustable shock..you mean HEIGHT adjustable. Which doesn't make much sense to me.

The only company that has a plug and play shock/damper for our cars to use with after market springs is Tokico.

All the other companies just offer full coilover setups with (most of the time) mediocre shocks that have their own springs.

You can still get koni's to use for your after market springs, you'll just have to do an insert into your stock front shocks.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

Throw some D's on that bishhh
Might as well get some Aragosta or Ohlins

The 28's are on par with the above brands.

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

The 28's are on par with the above brands.

our sports are on par with those brands
Its been a short run on this site but after that comment i think i might have to find a different site to hang at.