Koni/Redshift Coilovers

[AznSupastar]

^ i have never seen used si suspension for sale for $60....

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

What's stopping Redshift/Koni from offering a direct bolt-on solution like many of its competitors (Tein, Megan, Buddy Club, T1R, etc)?

To some it may be no big deal, but to others it may be a huge deterrent. I know I'm a little hesitant drilling/welding into a new car.

I dont really have answers

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by AznSupastar

^ i have never seen used si suspension for sale for $60....

keep the ones on your car and send them a set of ex or lx for core, i just seen a full set on the classifieds for under 100, all you need to buy is a extra set of is fronts.

[marc-o-lishuz]

Finally! An answer to my question. Thanks for the info.

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

Finally! An answer to my question. Thanks for the info.

no problem

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

No, that's right. I just don't know why it goes progressive at the very end like that. the digressive nature of the shock is in the tuning, the progressive nature at the end is in the physical properties of fluid through a valve naturally. It's not an area of the graph that I think is a concern.

Chris

I'm not concerned about it since most of the piston speed is in the .07 m/s range.

Originally Posted by KONIMAN

It gets progressive at the end because at that speed is when the holes in the piston start to choke off

Choke off what? It soulds like you forgot to finish your thought.

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

I'm not concerned about it since most of the piston speed is in the .07 m/s range.



Choke off what? It soulds like you forgot to finish your thought.

done on this site

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by KONIMAN

no i didnt forget to finish. There are holes in a piston, depending on the damper/valving slower speeds oil is flowing throught the holes on the piston freely up to about .22-.33 m/s (again depending on the valving). anything higher than those speeds .33 and above, its like running a mile breathing through a straw, when you try to force a large amount of oil that fast though a couple small holes, basicly the holes choke off and start to built more force on the piston creating a spike. IF that makes since? most wont see speeds that high so its nothing to worry about.

Makes great sence. i'd rep you if I could.

[Highrev1]

DIdn't you get the memo BELCH..Page 5

http://www.koni-na.com/pdf/tech.pdf

[Sirbelch]

It says nothing about a maximum piston velocity on page 5.

[Highrev1]

Fine...My keyboard is sticky I spilled a soda on my key today...So I am slow...I am sure it in ther somwhere

[FastTimesAtFGHigh]

i dont get it. they don't know how to stamp KONI on their dampers? or is it a legal issue? i read somewhere that FN2 and FD2 parts from KONI are out already, so what's the deal with USDM FG2 crap?

Originally Posted by KONIMAN

The thing that is stopping koni from making a full bolt on strut is bracket stamping, all of our brackets are oem quality if not better, where the other guys source their stuff out. Its not even made by them, its made in china or japan and very cheap quality....Anyone can have a shock/strut made for any car with their name on it if you order it in quantity. I could call some Jap shock manufacturer and tell them what i want, send them a drawing, tell them i want them to be called Jasons baller shocks and they will do it as long as i order 100 sets. Pick out 2 or 3 sets of shocks and cut them open and take a look inside. You will find pretty much the same exact thing in all 3 sets, it just looks different on the outside with a different name on it. Then take a look inside of a koni. Koni actually does development on each car and valves a shock specificly for that car. Call any other company out there and ask them for a dyno graph for that $1000 coil over set up you purchased from them, they most likly cant provide.

And as far as everyone wanting to dump their car, Its ok to lower on a koni (run a bump rubber) and if you have the need to dump it a crazy amount koni can shorten to accomidate if you want to pay $$
sorry if my spelling sucks i never was that good! lol + im rambling

[Moose]

Originally Posted by FastTimesAtFGHigh

i dont get it. they don't know how to stamp KONI on their dampers? or is it a legal issue? i read somewhere that FN2 and FD2 parts from KONI are out already, so what's the deal with USDM FG2 crap?

The FN2 has a COMPLETELY different suspension setup than the JDM and USDM cars
The JDM FD2 front Struts are different from USDM Struts..

THUS the USDM Cars require different tooling to make the parts ... Tooling is expensive and time consuming to make.

Koni makes dampers for MANY cars ... not just Honda's ... so any new product takes time.

Koni, unlike many many manufactures actually design, builds, and tests the dampers for each application ....rather than the "generic" re-packaged dampers that most of the other companies sell.

Quality takes time ... so if you want quality, relax and wait for it.



Moose

[Highrev1]

There are about 5 or 6 different Housing stampings for this car throughout the world. Even the LX vs SI front housings are slighly different...Koni has used inserts for YEARS, nothing wrong with an insert

[CivicSi907]

@Highrev1:

I just need high adjustable shocks, that I can use with my skunk2 springs... are the koni yellows right for me? Or are there any other high adjustable shocks out now?

[Blurry]

Highrev1

I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about suspensions.....but, I read through all 12 pages...all I want is a bit lower stance, better handling and a setup that will work for daily driving and 10-12 autocross events a season...I don't want coilovers. I don't want to hassle with adjusting up or down. I live in the Northeast so I don't want it too low..

What's would be the best? Will there be an offering of Koni yellows with some 3/4-1" drop springs that are stiffer then what is readily available now?

[jrotax101]

Blurry - while Highrev's future setups may be good, from reading your requirements, HFP with a decent aligntment may be the best bet for you? if you don't want any hassle of adjusting it..

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by Blurry

Highrev1

I'll be the first to admit I know nothing about suspensions.....but, I read through all 12 pages...all I want is a bit lower stance, better handling and a setup that will work for daily driving and 10-12 autocross events a season...I don't want coilovers. I don't want to hassle with adjusting up or down. I live in the Northeast so I don't want it too low..

What's would be the best? Will there be an offering of Koni yellows with some 3/4-1" drop springs that are stiffer then what is readily available now?

done posting on this site

[Blurry]

thanks jrotax and Koniman...I thought about the HFP suspension but I want something a bit better and some stiffer springs. I was thinking Konis, what is the spring rate on the Vogtland?

[CivicSi907]

Originally Posted by CivicSi907

@Highrev1:

I just need high adjustable shocks, that I can use with my skunk2 springs... are the koni yellows right for me? Or are there any other high adjustable shocks out now?

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