Koni/Redshift Coilovers

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by flomofo

I was looking at hfp till this, seems like the perfect DD setup that handles better than most setups that send you out of control on a rough turn in a real corner.

Yes, that's the idea. We have kept bump low while allowing quite strong rebound valving, which will provide for good traction on even bumpy roads but with excellent mass control of the car.

It will be interesting to see how the RedShift/Koni setup compares with the others. That is the testing that we have still to do.

Chris

[Rpm2]

I'm starting to think we are not going to be getting these till fall.

[Profoxcg]

thank for the response, I may get some used springs in the meantime while I wait for your guys or until something comes worth while comes out

[BigDog]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

Curt,
Your shocks are definitely stiffer than these Sport shocks. In fact, yours were built with an unusual amount of rear bump valving to help the car rotate. :)

But do tell us what you think of yours. :)

Chris

The shocks I have have really made a difference on the auto-x course. That high bump valving, in the rear, has really helped the car rotate and the adjustable bump, in the fronts, has helped in dialing out some wheelspin. We are currently running full soft on rebound on both ends. We were running full stiff on rebound in the back, but backed way off trying to cure a problem we are having with the brakes going into "ice mode" when we lift a rear wheel. It has helped, but we still have the problem. In fact, it cost Will a win (and $100 to the tire fund) this last weekend at the San Diego Tour when the car "iced out" at the finish and he hit 3 cones

Anyway, it sounds like the RedShift set up will be fantastic for those looking for performance and everday comfort with the adjustment offered. Chris and I have been Koni fanbois for awhile and you cannot beat the performance and adjustability for the price.

The one caveat regarding installation has to do with the drilling of the stock top mount for the shock. Have this done by a machine shop that really knows their stuff. Mine were done by the guys who installed them and they did a piss poor job. The driver's side mount makes a lot more noise than I like because the hole is not right. I will be buying new mounts and having them re-done very soon. Maybe RedShift shoud offer pre-drilled mounts...

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by BigDog

Maybe RedShift shoud offer pre-drilled mounts...

We will be offering a U-weld setup for people to allow for ease of installation and no need for a machine shop only someone who can weld

[marc-o-lishuz]

What's stopping Redshift/Koni from offering a direct bolt-on solution like many of its competitors (Tein, Megan, Buddy Club, T1R, etc)?

To some it may be no big deal, but to others it may be a huge deterrent. I know I'm a little hesitant drilling/welding into a new car.

[Highrev1]

Well we will probably be offering a core charge where we send you a full setup and then you send back your stock shocks for the next guy Somthing along those lines probably.

[eXTCspeed]

Originally Posted by Rpm2

I'm starting to think we are not going to be getting these till fall.

Haha yeah. I wouldn't hold your breath for these.

I stopped waiting for these a while back already. No point in getting your hopes up over nothing. I'm glad, however, to see that progress is coming along. It just makes me sad that the release date keeps being pushed back. You might as well wait for the Hondata Kpro or the 9th generation Civics, rumor has it that they'll be released at the same time.

[AznSupastar]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Well we will probably be offering a core charge where we send you a full setup and then you send back your stock shocks for the next guy Somthing along those lines probably.

that would be WICKED! cuz i don't want to drill or weld!

[meeks]

^^ i second, third, fourth and fifth that. that would be really amazing.

[friedk]

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

What's stopping Redshift/Koni from offering a direct bolt-on solution like many of its competitors (Tein, Megan, Buddy Club, T1R, etc)?

To some it may be no big deal, but to others it may be a huge deterrent. I know I'm a little hesitant drilling/welding into a new car.

You're only drilling into stock shocks though. Those aren't TOO expensive to replace.

The only downside I see is that you won't be able to put your stock shocks back on and sell the koni inserted ones.

[Profoxcg]

Im going to get some skunk2 springs in the meantime, start saving 1500 bucks, if by the time I got the money these are out ill get them, otherwire Im going skunk2 pro-c

[friedk]

Are you sure you wanna go through the install and pay for an alignment to have to do it again in 1-2 months?

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

Not sure about the last bit of that curve you mention other than it's progressive as you mention. And I do plan to get the DA dynos too, but I don't have them yet.

Chris

The slope of the full stiff rebound curve starts to decrease in the mid speed range but then the slope increases in the high speed range. I would call a curve with a decreasing slope, digressive and one with an increasing slope, progressive. Do I have my terms mixed?

[RedShiftChris]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

The slope of the full stiff rebound curve starts to decrease in the mid speed range but then the slope increases in the high speed range. I would call a curve with a decreasing slope, digressive and one with an increasing slope, progressive. Do I have my terms mixed?

No, that's right. I just don't know why it goes progressive at the very end like that. the digressive nature of the shock is in the tuning, the progressive nature at the end is in the physical properties of fluid through a valve naturally. It's not an area of the graph that I think is a concern.

Chris

[AznSupastar]

actually change my mind, i want to be able to swap out my redshift coilover for stock when i need to. so i guess i would need an extra insert so that the redshift coilover is a full bolt on kit from u guys.

[Highrev1]

You would need an extra set of stock shocks..

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by RedShiftChris

No, that's right. I just don't know why it goes progressive at the very end like that. the digressive nature of the shock is in the tuning, the progressive nature at the end is in the physical properties of fluid through a valve naturally. It's not an area of the graph that I think is a concern.

Chris

It gets progressive at the end because at that speed is when the holes in the piston start to choke off

[AznSupastar]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

You would need an extra set of stock shocks..

so it's not some brackets u can buy?! but the entire shock?

that sounds expensive already. fak, i guess no koni for me. =(

[KONIMAN]

Originally Posted by AznSupastar

so it's not some bracket but the entire shock?

that sounds expensive already. fak, i guess no koni for me. =(

dude a full set of used factory units will cost you about 60 bucks. Once you decide to go with redshift/koni, consider your factory units that are on your car right now, gone!!.........they will be used to house the koni insert.