Opinions on strut bars and lower tie bars

[Gixstars]

Who's got opinions or comments on strut bars and lower tie bars? Are strut bars pretty effective on our cars? I have an 07 Si Coupe btw. If so which brands do you guys like? Same w/ the lower tie bars....effective/necessary? Which brands? Thanks everyone.

[mitsukaiSI]

i have some megan racing lower tie bars and will probably get an h brace soon . . . dont notice much on the street but they help at autocross a little bit. . . from everything ive read its not nessicery to get the strut tower brace for our cars because of they way the sturt towers where built into the frame but i dont have any thing to prove that so it could be wrong

[rbsjnh]

Originally Posted by Gixstars

Who's got opinions or comments on strut bars and lower tie bars? Are strut bars pretty effective on our cars? I have an 07 Si Coupe btw. If so which brands do you guys like? Same w/ the lower tie bars....effective/necessary? Which brands? Thanks everyone.

I use to be the biggest fan in the world til sirBelch and revy taught me whats up, even though they look nice, there is no perfromance gain unless you meet these criteria:

Race only car
fuly adjustable suspension (not tein crap)
full R compound tires

if you do not meet all 3 you are wasting your money, if you want to disagree with me please do us all a favor, hit search read some full threads about this and then we can re-discuss...

if you do not meet all 3 criteria you are better off purchasing better
(lighter/wider) rims and better (sticky) tires.

Welcome to the site...and I'll see ya around

[kuziken]

Originally Posted by rbsjnh

I use to be the biggest fan in the world til sirBelch and revy taught me whats up, even though they look nice, there is no perfromance gain unless you meet these criteria:

Race only car
fuly adjustable suspension (not tein crap)
full R compound tires

if you do not meet all 3 you are wasting your money, if you want to disagree with me please do us all a favor, hit search read some full threads about this and then we can re-discuss...

if you do not meet all 3 criteria you are better off purchasing better
(lighter/wider) rims and better (sticky) tires.

Welcome to the site...and I'll see ya around

so your saying they all are a waste of money if your driving street only.....even rear strut bar?

[rbsjnh]

per people who understand more about suspension, then I would want to, yes

[kuziken]

huh...

[rbsjnh]

the people who are competitive racers, truly racers would in no way encourage the purchase of any of these pieces, unless you meet criteria above...better?

[WhiteSicivic06]

Hmmmmm interesting. Well, for $300 or so bucks I dont feel all my under braces and tie bars effect anything negatively. I did notice a tighter steering feel so it was worth it to me. Im not going to do strut tower bars though.

[rbsjnh]

Originally Posted by WhiteSicivic06

Hmmmmm interesting. Well, for $300 or so bucks I dont feel all my under braces and tie bars effect anything negatively. I did notice a tighter steering feel so it was worth it to me. Im not going to do strut tower bars though.

I never said it would effect anything negatively...and the feel, many would argues thats all in your head, I thought the same thing with mine...until I took them off and tried again, honestly minimal difference...on a fully built race car they will only shave something like .2/secs off a lap time...

[WhiteSicivic06]

Yeah I definantley agree with the lap time savings. There light weight aluminum, only $300 for the front tiebar, h-brace, and rear lower tie-bar, the look cool, and they add chasis ridgity, so id say do them to anyone whos asks. Now as for the $300 Carbing Strut tower bar,.......Not a chance in hell thats worth it.

[rbsjnh]

I hear ya...but there are always 2 sides of the story...this is not directed to you white, just a diff opinion for everyone else reading

save the cash, spend it on parts that will make a bigger difference...i.e. s/c, hondata, F/i, Quality race header, cams, etc...

[WhiteSicivic06]

Yeah I guess that would be good advice. I had all that so when I was hitting the susension I got em. $300 towards a header would be a better investment!! I would have had my BCRH waaaaay sooner.

[rbsjnh]

keepin it real my friend...must spread rep...blah blah blah...

can someone hit this man up for me?

Thanks
Rich

[07_civic_ms]

i put a strut bar on my 07 lx coupe and i notice a difference so idk, ive put one on 2 different cars and noticed a difference in both of them so basically its up to you, im no professional so this is just my 2 cents

[Highrev1]

A feel will change but acutal handling not somthing you can quantify won't.....At least on the street.

[mitsukaiSI]

two tenths of a second could be the difference between winning or loosing . . . but again . . . there in would be the benefit . . . off the track what do you gain? nothing in the big scheme of things

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Turbo put 10-11 Cusco braces and a huge 4mm metal plate on the front sub frame on an EVO and they said it didn't make the car handle better (quantitatively) but they did get more feed back from the car (qualitatively) and it improved ride quality on the streets. The thing is, that EVO had a full bushing kit (some of which were metal), roll center adjusters front and rear, front and rear sway bars, wide, near R comp rubber on light weight wheels, a wicked alignment and a $12,000 set of Moton coilovers. So braces do help but only after you sink $18,000 in parts into the car before you buy the braces.

Manufactures make braces because they have a high profit margin for a relativily cheap product.

So, They can help get faster lap times by giving the driver more information on what the car is doing if the driver is good enough to take advantage of said information. That advantage will be like 3 tenths max on a medium sized road course.

[WhiteSicivic06]

$12,000 Coilovers,...holy crap! And I thought the new Tein twin tube ones for the Evo going for $10,000 were bad.